 2011 or 2012, Which is it? |
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 Sep 7 2007, 03:40 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615  |
SR uses the 2011 date. However, various books and TV programs I have seen say that the new age on the Mayan calendar is 2012. Still other books/TV programs also say 2011. Anyone got the straight info on this?
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Sep 7 2007, 03:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
iirc, the specific date is in december.
it is therefore not unreasonable to suppose that there are 2 different ways of calculating the date (or more) and that one of them results in the day being in a different year as a result (for example, depending on who you trust, Christ was supposed to have been born in anywhere from -1 to -4 BC iirc... might have gone into the ADs as well... different scholars came up with different years. as i recall, the -1 BC (note that there is no 0 AD or BC, for the record, and that 1 AD is 1 year after the birth of Christ if memory serves correctly) was the earliest year they figured out, and it ended up getting used. so there you have it, scholars aren't even entirely sure if *our* method of keeping track of the date is accurate... i could certainly see how there'd be uncertainty in the calendars of a culture that hasn't really been around for a long, long time =P |
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Sep 7 2007, 04:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
2012. See how easy that was. Move along citizen. :)
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Sep 7 2007, 04:08 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Pick your favorite translation. ;)
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Sep 7 2007, 04:35 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i've seen 2012 a lot more frequently than 2011.
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Sep 7 2007, 05:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
In our universe, the date works out to be 2012 more often than not. But in the SR universe, it's basically been decided that the 5th Sun died in 2011. Maybe they actually had a Year 0 CE in the Shadowrun universe. Or their archaeologists had help translating the numbers from someone who was actually there when the calandar was set in stone. Or, like with all the other predictions and prophecies that have ever written been down, they conveniently re-interpreted the texts to match reality and said it'd been like that the whole time.
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Sep 7 2007, 10:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Maybe the Mayans set a date for 2011 but because of budget concerns, cost overruns, and the change of ownership the world can't be altered until 2012.
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Sep 7 2007, 10:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Ok since you insist, it's the translation of "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." That would be my favorite. |
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Sep 7 2007, 10:25 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
The first real signs started showing up at the end of 2011, but it wasn't "officially" the Sixth World until 2012. Best of both worlds.
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Sep 7 2007, 10:31 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Midnight Oil. :) |
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Sep 7 2007, 12:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
LOL. |
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Sep 7 2007, 01:53 PM
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Man Behind the Curtain Group: Admin Posts: 14,871 Joined: 2-July 89 From: End of the Yellow-Brick Road Member No.: 3 |
I was at Xunantunich in Belize and Kohunlich in Mexico last year.
The local Mayans and guides say 2012. I'll take that as definitive. |
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Sep 7 2007, 04:30 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Most people say 2012. I prefer 2011, because I have a better chance of living till then. :D
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Sep 7 2007, 05:36 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...seconded. |
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Nov 3 2010, 04:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
My gut says that this story has already been covered. But just in case..........
news.discovery.com/space/the-2012-mayan-calendar-doomsday-date-might-be-wrong.html |
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Nov 3 2010, 07:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I don't care as long as it doesn't interfere with O'Beer-Thirty.
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Nov 3 2010, 01:18 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (Zhan Shi @ Nov 2 2010, 11:02 PM)  My gut says that this story has already been covered. But just in case.......... news.discovery.com/space/the-2012-mayan-calendar-doomsday-date-might-be-wrong.html Yeah, it doesn't help when the people involved in the translations can't agree. -k |
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Nov 3 2010, 02:01 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,002 Joined: 22-April 06 From: Canada Member No.: 8,494 |
IIRC way back in SR 2e it states that the Awakening occurred on the 31 Dec 2011 just before midnight. This would mean that 2011 or 2012 is correct.
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 Nov 3 2010, 02:07 PM
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Running Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,128 Joined: 9-December 06 From: In Your Mind Member No.: 10,324 |
I think the official date in SR was always Dec. 24th 2011, when the Christmas-Dragon apeared over Mt. Fuji (Some call him SantaRyu). I like 2011 better then 2012, cuz then it´s the Awakening´s 50th Aniversary, when Halley´s Comet passes by - That´s half of the 'Year of the Comet'-Crazynes - Fun Strange Days (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Nov 3 2010, 02:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
Here's an idea. Have a party on Dec. 24th 2011 & the same date in 2012. That way, whatever happens, it's still a party.
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Nov 3 2010, 03:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 748 Joined: 22-April 07 From: Vermont Member No.: 11,507 |
It is established canon in Shadowrun that the Sixth World began on 24 December 2011. This date uses the awakening of dragons as the threshold, but there was an awakened creature as early as 2000 AD, and various metahumans did not return until after 2011.
Magic is not like a light switch (on or off) it is like a tide with a period of (according to Ehran the Scribe) 3,743,240 days (~10248.6 years). This means that, according to Ehran, a "World" has an average length of ~5124.3 years with the Fifth World being 1,871,270 days and the Sixth World predicted to be 1,871,970 days. In real life, the interpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, that is currently the most accepted, puts the duration of a "World" at 1,872,000 days (~5125.4 years) with the date for current calender cycle to end as 21 December 2012. P.S. see "Humans and the Cycle of Magic" for more detail. P.P.S. Two interesting notes:
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Nov 3 2010, 05:41 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (BookWyrm @ Nov 3 2010, 09:37 AM) Here's an idea. Have a party on Dec. 24th 2011 & the same date in 2012. That way, whatever happens, it's still a party. Party like it's 1999? |
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Nov 3 2010, 09:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 427 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Earth...I hope... Member No.: 17,317 |
I had always thought SR said 2010... I may have misread that however, but it has always made me curious when everyone else on DS says 2012 or 2011. I'll have to find where I thought it said 2010.
EDIT: I just looked it up. 2010 was the first outbreak of VITAS, which is right before the Awakening section in the SR4A introduction. |
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Nov 3 2010, 10:30 PM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
I thought it all started with Y2K when computers all over the world crashed due to a simple programing oversight... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nov 4 2010, 01:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 3 2010, 01:41 PM) Party like it's 1999? Party like it's the end of the (Fifth) world. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) |
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