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 Tailored Pheromones, Twice the bang for the buck? |
 Sep 12 2007, 05:33 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 9-December 06 From: the Maaatlock-Expressway! Member No.: 10,326  |
Okay, so I'm twiddling around with a kinda Face-ish build for a change, and naturally, there's no way around tailored pheromones.
So, if looking at the description in the book, am I right if I read that as saying you get +1 Cha/rating AND a +1/rating to your pool for social tests? I searched the forum, and what I found seemed to confirm my interpretation, but I also find that's quite a big boost for what is essentially a dirt-cheap piece of 'ware, so I'd thought I'd ask you guys just to be sure. Thanks in advance! |
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Sep 12 2007, 05:47 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Tailored pheremones do not increase your charisma, they only add their rating as a dice pool bonus to charisma and social tests.
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Sep 12 2007, 05:51 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
For reference, the sentence on page 339 of your hymnal is "Tailored pheromones add their rating as a dice pool modifier to Charisma and Social Skill Tests."
I don't think it's a bonus to Charisma. My reasoning is this: if it was a bonus to Charisma, it would probably read "bonus to Charisma," and not "dice pool modifier." Since it's not a bonus to Charisma, then the bonus must go to "Charisma and Social Skill Tests," which is to say Charisma Tests and Social Skill Tests. |
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Sep 12 2007, 05:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 9-December 06 From: the Maaatlock-Expressway! Member No.: 10,326 |
That makes sense (more sense than getting the bonus twice!)
Thanks for clearing that up! I think the confusion came from the CharGen I'm using, it apparently does the +1 Cha/rating. Seeing that before I checked up obviously influenced my interpretation. Also, I am as thick as a brickwall right now... |
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Sep 12 2007, 06:24 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
Didn't they add to Charisma in 3rd?
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Sep 12 2007, 09:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,246 Joined: 8-June 07 Member No.: 11,869 |
Which chargen are you using?
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Sep 12 2007, 10:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 9-December 06 From: the Maaatlock-Expressway! Member No.: 10,326 |
Blakkies SR4Chargen, latest version, as far as I know...
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Sep 12 2007, 11:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
yeah, that chargen does that for several things that add to dicepool.
It's only really an issue if you are a mage and then only for your drain stat. |
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Sep 12 2007, 11:57 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Or if you get Tailored Pheremones. :)
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Sep 13 2007, 12:12 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
I was trying to say that the character sheets practise of direct stat ads instead of dicepool mods for tailored pheromones and cerebral boosters for example, is only an issue (really) if you are a mage. :P
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Sep 13 2007, 12:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 4-September 07 Member No.: 13,115 |
Since the TP add to Charisma and Social Skill Tests then it would add to the characters Charisma Attribute. For example if they practiced Black Magic and rolled their drain that's a Charisma test since it utilizes Willpower and Charisma.
Some may dispute this, but it seems logical enough. Pheromones are a great asset in enhancing an indivuduals force of personality. The problem lies in that they phrased the description in a manner that specifically allows a character to 'double dip', adding to thier charisma, then also their social dice. I have always kept them as they were, Rating = Bonus to Charisma Score. Since Social skill tests generally use charisma anyways, by increasing your Charisma you are by proxy, increasing your social pools as well. But we all have our own opinions. |
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Sep 13 2007, 12:29 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
except for anytime someone uses a social skill on you and it's not charisma to resist. which is fairly often. and cthulhudreams, cerebral boosters *do* add to your logic. perhaps you're thinking of something else though =P |
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Sep 13 2007, 12:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 4-September 07 Member No.: 13,115 |
Why would you use Pheromones to resist?? Pheromones are not a shield, they do not protect you unless you are emitting pheromones that attract Wired Samurai.
Since the book does not state the actual type of pheromones used (there are several types, but most human pheromones are sex dependant) it's safe to say they are used in an 'offensive' manner, not a 'defensive' one. |
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Sep 13 2007, 12:36 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
*facepalms* I could have sworn it was a ddice pool.. Okay I'm an idiot :P |
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Sep 13 2007, 12:46 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Tailored Pheremones don't add to Chrisma-based drain resistance tests nor do they allow you to bind more spirits.
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Sep 13 2007, 12:47 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 10-September 07 From: Makati, Philippines Member No.: 13,191 |
I think the rule of thumb for each cyber\bioware mod is: Does it make me <blank> better? Bone lacing does not make you tougher. It makes you tougher when someone applies (for example) a baseball bat to your ribs. Muscle replacement makes you stronger and more agile. Tailored pheromone's do not make your pimply, scab-scarred, gangly, flabby, self look closer to Fabio. It may make Johnson wonder why he suddenly feels like taking a chocolate bath with a couple of joygirls right now, but it won't make you look any better. :wobble: Excuse me, I have other urgent matters to attend. *Goes off to beat up a dead horse* |
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Sep 13 2007, 01:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 4-September 07 Member No.: 13,115 |
Charisma is not just how attractive you are, it's about how forceful your personality is and how well you can ooze that into other's ballpark.
You can be ugly as all get out and still have a Charisma of 6+, sure you're butt ugly but you're excellent at making friends and are generally a likeable person. |
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Sep 13 2007, 01:12 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 10-September 07 From: Makati, Philippines Member No.: 13,191 |
Whoops, forgot to include that part. What I meant was about the initial reaction to butt ugliness. No club bunny would send a smarmy text message to Alfred E. Neuman... unless they were into fuglies. I dunno... ugly cooties? *shrug* |
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Sep 13 2007, 01:17 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Tailored Pheromones don't do anything to your personality. They just make you smell good to other metahumans.
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Sep 13 2007, 01:20 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...so here's an interesting thought what if you had both Tailored Pheromones and Clean Metabolism?
...would they cancel each other out? |
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Sep 13 2007, 01:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 10-September 07 From: Makati, Philippines Member No.: 13,191 |
Not really smell as in "I smell fried chicken..." more of a "Since I've been around that guy I feel like taking a chocolate bath with a couple of joygirls..." But I get what you mean :grinbig: |
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Sep 13 2007, 02:21 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
Tailored pheromes add to Charisma and social skill tests, so they would help resist social skills, too. This is because social skills are interactive, even if one person is initiating an attempt to con, intimidate, or out-negotiate the other person. So while the Johnson is trying to do his "scary suit with lots of connections" bit, the guy with tailored pheromes is giving off alpha male scent, distracting the Johnson and throwing his efforts off balance. |
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Sep 13 2007, 10:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 341 Joined: 3-October 05 Member No.: 7,802 |
The different between increasing an attribute as in muscle toner and adding a bonus to tests as in tailored ferremones becomes very significant in chargens if you are working out whether you hit the cap for boosted attributes ;)
As to the tailored ferremones on resisting social skills, yes I would agree. They make people more inclined to like you or otherwise more malleable, and resisting a persuasion or con attempt is very much a two way street. It isn't so much a case of attack and defence as it is a true example of an opposed action, a lot closer to a tug of war situation than shooting a gun at least. |
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Sep 13 2007, 11:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 6-August 03 From: Polish Ghetto Member No.: 5,342 |
I read shadowtech ages ago, but...
Tailored Pheromones bonuses works ONLY when interacting with opposite sex, yes? |
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Sep 13 2007, 11:46 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Nope. Anyone is fair game. |
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