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 Sep 13 2007, 10:42 PM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
Not Frank but ... Well, people practice in the U.S. with medical degrees from places like Grenada and Guatemala, so I don't see why not. Of course, there might be some kind of additional step involved if he was to go back to the States, but I wouldn't think it'd be too much of a problem. |
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Sep 14 2007, 12:32 AM
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MechRigger Delux Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Hanger 18, WPAFB Member No.: 1,657 |
Thread moved to a more appropriate topic area.
Take care over there! Don't let the vampires get yea :D |
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Sep 14 2007, 01:06 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
I'm imaging a doctor house esque performance here :D
Good luck! |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
There are additional hoops you have to jump through for the AMA and they're not easy. My former boss, may she rot in hell, was a doctor in HK but over here just a lowly manager, a bad one may I add. Bitter? Nah. :D |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:17 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
Congratulations, Frank, and best of luck. I hope you will still be able to pop in here every now and then.
Anyone else find it hilarious that a thread on moving got moved? :grinbig: |
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Sep 14 2007, 02:41 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
Basically they have to meet certain criteria and take the same liscensing tests Amercian students do, either the USMLE if they are applying to state-side residency programs or the specialty-specific board examinations (which are administered by the various professional associations- American Board of Internal Medicine, American Board of Neurology, etc). |
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Sep 14 2007, 04:01 AM
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CosaNostra Deliverator Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 346 Joined: 29-January 05 From: Philadelphia, PA Member No.: 7,034 |
Over the years, I've met many FMGs in US residency programs so it shouldn't be a problem. As long as you have a degree and have passed step 1 and step 2, I believe you can enter the match. The bigger problem would be coming back after doing a residency. I've known some people who've had to repeat residencies in order to practice in the US. Then again, I've known people who didn't have to so maybe it has something to do with ACGME accrediation. On the flipside, a friend of mine who moved to Canada had to do an extra year of residency in order to practice pediatrics in Canada (peds is 3 years in the US, 4 in Canada). |
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Sep 14 2007, 04:33 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
Frank: out of curiosity, what kind of entrance exam did you have to take to get in over there? Is it similar to the MCAT?
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Sep 14 2007, 05:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 225 Joined: 13-July 07 Member No.: 12,235 |
Awesome stuff Frank, congratulations. Your writing is fantastic, I'll be sad to see you go. Don't be a stranger now, y'hear? Here's hoping you come back before fifth edition!
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Sep 14 2007, 11:38 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Honestly, compared to the MCAT, the Charles entrance exam is kind of a joke. Since you have to send them in your transcripts and your resume before they even let you take the test, I assume that the test is largely intended as a formality - although some people certainly did fail it. Questions are similar to the MCAT, but instead of being 3 separate sections of about 100 minutes it's just one test that they give you 75 minutes to complete. I was done in 45. Sections are Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. No writing sample, but there's an interview section where they give you a stand-up prompt and ask you to improvise something. My prompt was "Terminal Illness: Continuation of Care?" but some other people got crappier prompts ("Child Abuse" or the perenial head scratcher "Sexual Preference and Sexual Deviance"). The big difficulty of the Charles exam relative to the MCAT is that you get no context for any of the questions. So when they ask you a question about Aniline, they just fucking expect you to know off the top of your head what that is and what the chemical formula is. For comparison, an MCAT question about Aniline would come in four parts and go into way more detail about its chemical properties, but it would also give you a chemical formula for Aniline when it introduced the section (meaning that a solid knowledge of organic chemical prinicpals could get you through even if you never called that particular chemical anything other than phenylamine or aminobenzene in your whole life. They have a past exam set on the internet, use it if you intend to take the test in real life. Still, I think it's pretty telling that the two people who got the top scores had already gone through the MCAT process. Personally, I got a 36Q on the MCAT, which was enough to get in to medical schools, but since I could never get off the waiting list it hardly matters - I may as well have gotten a 20 for all the difference it made. The shortage of med school slots in the US is criminal. --- As for transferring to the US: I don't know if I'll want to. But if I did, there's a certification board in every major industrialized nation that you have to go through to practice medicine. In the United States it's pretty strict (not the strictest if I recal, but up there), but I don't doubt that I can get through. What it comes down to is that a medical degree does not allow you to practice medicine, the medical certification body of your host nation does. Getting a medical degree is a requirment to be considered by those organizations, but in no way ensures that you will actually be allowed to practice. Again though, I've never failed a test involving "science" in my whole life, so I have little doubt in my ability to come back to the states. Really depends upon how "on fire" the United States is by the time I get out. It will be 2012 after all... -Frank |
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Sep 14 2007, 04:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
I have to wonder: Why *don't* US med schools expand?
It's not like they'd have trouble placing people! |
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Sep 14 2007, 07:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
Great news Frank! I have heard Prague is a wonderful city. Best wishes and best of luck, oh, and do post around here if you find the time.
Cheers, Max |
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Sep 15 2007, 12:25 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
Damn dude! I got a 34R and had multiple offers. Maybe the schools you are applying to are more competative, but you could probably do well at most state schools (assuming your GPA is okay... mine was pretty average for a medical school applicant... too much SR during my undergrad years, i'm sure). Was their exam in Czech (i assume)?
I agree but thats changing. The Feds recently asked the AAMC to increase class sizes for the first time since WWII. Somebody finially looked at the baby boom data and realized how fucked we are if we don't train more doctors fast. |
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Sep 15 2007, 12:42 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
The short answer is cost. I've heard various estimates, but in the United States it costs about a million dollars to train a doctor. Since NOONE is paying $250,000 a year in tuition, pretty much every medical school (state and private) is subsidized by the Federal Government, private grants and donations. Not sure how that works in other countries. Incidently, thats also why it's so damn hard to get in. The minute you accept a position in an entering class the school has far more money invested in you than you will pay back in tuition. They cannot afford to accept people who can't hack it or lack the determination to stick it out when it starts to suck (which it will...). This is in contrast to a lot of other professional schools that over admit knowing that some people will drop. The nice thing about medical school is that the weed-out process is all before entrance. Once you're in, they will do everything to make sure you finish (mostly because they have to). |
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Sep 15 2007, 07:34 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Nearly all universities in Germany are state-owned, what limits the yearly costs for students to 1,000€. Studiying medicine to become a doctor takes 6 years in average (12 semester) and has a high percentage of students who break it off before.
It's hard to get a place in a medical school (it depends on your Abitur) too. But the saddest thing is that actually being and working as a doctor leaves you seriously overworked and underpaid. More and more leave Germany to work in Great Britain, Switzerland or Scandinavia where the payment is better and working conditions for medical personell are better too. |
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Sep 15 2007, 08:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 27-February 06 From: Lost in Time Member No.: 8,312 |
Congrats. Well, if you don't awaken in 2012, make sure you get started on bioware, I need new eyes. |
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Sep 15 2007, 02:42 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,382 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Shadowland Member No.: 8,297 |
Congratulations!
You are a more dedicated man than me. I stopped with the engineering degree before heading to med school. Perhaps had something to do with a wife and two kids... |
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Sep 16 2007, 12:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 |
Good luck Frank! Don't be a stranger on DS, we'll all love to hear about how things are going.
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Oct 5 2007, 07:40 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
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Oct 8 2007, 03:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
Say hello to Schwartzkoph for me. :D
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Oct 8 2007, 07:14 AM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Best to ya man.
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Oct 11 2007, 07:32 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
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Oct 11 2007, 09:25 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Oct 12 2007, 02:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
:eek: Good grief. I'm glad I never wanted to be a doctor.
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Nov 14 2007, 04:21 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
Ah, adorable; I remember when I used to be squeamish about visuals (I generally only find odors revolting at this point). At my small private school we had a decent portion of human skeleton that eventually found its way to my locker for half a semester. That particular stunt got me a rather severe scolding, but on the upside, it paid handily for my lunches; we had a pool going for how long it'd take before I got caught and I beat one month handily. I don't know why my classmates didn't think I'd do it; the family businesses in my clan are taxidermy, meatpacking, and mortuary science with some military experience mixed in for good measure. I've been up to my eyeballs in dead stuff since grade school.
And yes, I am aware this is thread necromancy, but that fact only adds to the oddly satisfying sense of symmetry I'm getting by posting my li'l anecdote. |
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