IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Adept Shielding, Can an Adept use it?
Irian
post Sep 28 2007, 02:59 PM
Post #1


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 315
Joined: 12-October 03
From: Germany, Regensburg
Member No.: 5,709



Quick Question: Can an Adept learn shielding? Or are his only chance to get better defences vs. spells the adept powers?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aaron
post Sep 28 2007, 04:17 PM
Post #2


Mr. Johnson
******

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 3,148
Joined: 27-February 06
From: UCAS
Member No.: 8,314



One would imagine, but the rules state that Shielding dice are added when using Counterspelling. Since adepts can't take Counterspelling, Shielding would be useless to them.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Apathy
post Sep 28 2007, 04:24 PM
Post #3


Running Target
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,408
Joined: 31-January 04
From: Reston VA, USA
Member No.: 6,046



does this also mean that a initiated normal mage with no skill in counterspelling would be unable to use sheilding?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
BishopMcQ
post Sep 28 2007, 04:25 PM
Post #4


The back-up plan
**********

Group: Retired Admins
Posts: 8,423
Joined: 15-January 03
From: San Diego
Member No.: 3,910



By my reading, that is correct. Any mage that did not learn counter-spelling would be unable to utilize Shielding.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ol' Scratch
post Sep 28 2007, 04:31 PM
Post #5


Immortal Elf
**********

Group: Validating
Posts: 7,999
Joined: 26-February 02
Member No.: 1,890



Nothing stops them from actually learning the metamagic, though. (And in the case of the initiated mage, he could always learn Counterspelling at a later date. Not so for standard adepts.)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
BishopMcQ
post Sep 28 2007, 04:33 PM
Post #6


The back-up plan
**********

Group: Retired Admins
Posts: 8,423
Joined: 15-January 03
From: San Diego
Member No.: 3,910



Precisely. I'd find it akin to buying a motorcycle without knowing how to ride. It's there, but until you put a little time and effort into figuring it out, there's no real purpose.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fortune
post Sep 28 2007, 07:51 PM
Post #7


Immoral Elf
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 15,247
Joined: 29-March 02
From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat
Member No.: 2,486



Shielding is not among those Powers specifically listed as being usable by Adepts.

QUOTE (SR4 pg 189)
Note that adepts can only learn the metamagic techniques of Centering, Flexible Signature, and Masking.


QUOTE (Street Magic pg. 52)
Not all of the techniques introduced below are appropriate for adept characters. Adepts may learn Divining, Psychometry, and Sensing, as well as the exclusive metamagics of Adept Centering, Attunement (Animal and Item), Cognition, Empower Animal, Infusion and Somatic Control, which are available only to adepts and mystical adepts.


Of particular interest is the fact that Adepts cannot learn Extended Masking.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kyoto Kid
post Sep 28 2007, 09:09 PM
Post #8


Bushido Cowgirl
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,782
Joined: 8-July 05
From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats
Member No.: 7,490



...so she can no longer mask the nature of her weapon focus then? That was one of the uses which made Masking useful for an adept in previous editions.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
kzt
post Sep 28 2007, 09:21 PM
Post #9


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,537
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Albuquerque NM
Member No.: 9,234



QUOTE (Aaron @ Sep 28 2007, 09:17 AM)
Since adepts can't take Counterspelling, Shielding would be useless to them.

Always pay the extra 5 points, just for shielding counterspelling alone.

This post has been edited by kzt: Sep 28 2007, 09:30 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Jaid
post Sep 28 2007, 09:59 PM
Post #10


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 7,089
Joined: 4-October 05
Member No.: 7,813



QUOTE (kzt)
QUOTE (Aaron @ Sep 28 2007, 09:17 AM)
Since adepts can't take Counterspelling, Shielding would be useless to them.

Always pay the extra 5 points, just for shielding counterspelling alone.

15 points really... it costs you a point of magic to be able to counterspell, which means 1 less power point for your adept.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
kzt
post Sep 28 2007, 10:04 PM
Post #11


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,537
Joined: 27-August 06
From: Albuquerque NM
Member No.: 9,234



Yes, plus 8/16 points for the skill. But there is no other way of getting the defense. It's why we have almost nobody who doesn't do MAs or mages, as 7 dice vs 3 dice is a huge difference, and using the rest of the team it's more like 10-12 dice instead of 3 dice.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 19th April 2024 - 02:42 PM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.