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post Oct 11 2007, 05:09 AM
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So I found an article on how Hortaio Alger, the famous author, was in fact a pedophile. As part of this article, I found out about a pretty nefarious operation that seems like it would be a nice gritty and depressing backdrop for a Shadowrun game.

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Many years ago, when I was barely more than a kid, age of twenty-two or twenty-three, I was dating a Native American woman who had a day-job changing the sheets in a boy bordello in Seattle. Sometimes I'd help her change the sheets so she could get away sooner & we could adventure around town. I never saw the inside of the place at night -- no women allowed when the sun went down. In the daytime, the boys lounged inert on the floor smoking cigarettes or marijuana while staring at a television. They did not speak. They barely moved. They seemed to be waiting for their lives to begin.

The bordello was run by an old faggot who was something of a professional "spokesman" for homeless youths, occasionally seen on the television news expounding on the hardships of boys living in the streets. He'd gotten grants from the city to provide housing for some of these boys. So the city government was duped into paying the bordello's rent! It is the commonest thing that advocates for youth are "in it" for personal reasons of this very sort.

The bordello was kittycorner from the Crescent Tavern, which in those days was a lesbian bar. Mona & I hung out there evenings, playing pool & chatting with other dykes. One night from our vantage-point at the Crescent, we saw police cars descending upon the bordello, red & blue lights spinning. The old male-madam, with a cluster of business-suited clientelle, & all the boys were gathered into vehicles & hauled away. Mona & I stood on the sidewalk in front of the tavern watching it all happen, & Mona said, "Damn, now I have to find a job."

For my own part I was glad to see it all go down. And gladder still that the repulsive geezer who'd tricked the city out of grants to "help" boys finally went to prison. But from the boys' point of view, it meant they now had to work in the streets & select their clientelle from among the frightening chickenhawks who hung around the side- & back-exits of the Monastary, a gay youth club run by a handsome but very horrible black man pretending to provide a safe alcohol-free entertainment-environment for kids too young to go to bars, & getting all outraged on the six o'clock news after each police raid.



There could be some home near the Barrens which is marketed as some kind of charitable enterprise and gets some kind of funding or public recognition. But in fact it's a gay brothel or something. It could be a good backdrop for a party's first run. Not too too tough on security, but a good touch on the grit, I think.

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post Oct 11 2007, 05:14 AM
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or possibly a new "hive" starting
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post Oct 11 2007, 05:18 AM
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or possibly a new "hive" starting

Or, the party's first run with noob players it's the bordello. A year later with the same gaming group give them what appears to be a repeat of their first mission but the second time over when they're more experienced it's actually a highly dangerous insect hive and everything inside feels that the PCs must not leave alive.
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post Oct 11 2007, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)
QUOTE (swirler @ Oct 11 2007, 12:14 AM)
or possibly a new "hive" starting

Or, the party's first run with noob players it's the bordello. A year later with the same gaming group give them what appears to be a repeat of their first mission but the second time over when they're more experienced it's actually a highly dangerous insect hive and everything inside feels that the PCs must not leave alive.

That or it's a bunch of butterfly shamans feeling FABULOUS!
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post Oct 11 2007, 01:43 PM
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Ironically, shutting down the "evil" government-funded bordello actually makes things worse.

Perhaps the government should be in the business of pimping underaged 'hos for the greater good of society.
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post Oct 11 2007, 04:48 PM
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Well ideally the set up would be that it would be you know, an *actual* home for young boys without any family.
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post Oct 11 2007, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (Gerzel)
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Oct 11 2007, 12:18 AM)
QUOTE (swirler @ Oct 11 2007, 12:14 AM)
or possibly a new "hive" starting

Or, the party's first run with noob players it's the bordello. A year later with the same gaming group give them what appears to be a repeat of their first mission but the second time over when they're more experienced it's actually a highly dangerous insect hive and everything inside feels that the PCs must not leave alive.

That or it's a bunch of butterfly shamans feeling FABULOUS!

I laugh out loud too much and I will have a problem with work.
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post Oct 11 2007, 06:30 PM
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Ironically, shutting down the "evil" government-funded bordello actually makes things worse.

Perhaps the government should be in the business of pimping underaged 'hos for the greater good of society.

Heh. Reminds me of the old urban legend about the USO importing clean whores to the boys in uniform overseas.
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post Oct 11 2007, 06:56 PM
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The Japanese had the right idea with comfort women.
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post Oct 11 2007, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History)
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Oct 11 2007, 01:43 PM)
Ironically, shutting down the "evil" government-funded bordello actually makes things worse.

Perhaps the government should be in the business of pimping underaged 'hos for the greater good of society.

Heh. Reminds me of the old urban legend about the USO importing clean whores to the boys in uniform overseas.

Shipping over clean prostitutes is absurd, since it is much easier to just sequester prostitutes, test them, and screen their clients. Which is what the Allies did in North Africa.

There are always plenty of locals who are desperate for money in a war zone.
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post Oct 12 2007, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (martindv @ Oct 11 2007, 01:56 PM)
The Japanese had the right idea with comfort women.

That is offensive.

What is little known is that until the US could get enough USO girls into occupied Japan in 1945 they kept going with the whoring, also recruiting Japanese women who were starving after the collapse of the Japanese economy. something they didn't do to German women.
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post Oct 12 2007, 05:33 PM
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I don't know about that, but my grandad, who was with the first people landing on the mainland, said the Japanese government gathered up as many 'pleasure girls' as they could in the hopes they could satiate the invading barbarians and keep them from raping the populace. Of course, the US military was on strict orders to watch their conduct, although I can't remember the specific reasoning any more. I'd look it up in my grandad's book, but that's currently in the Netherlands.
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post Oct 12 2007, 05:48 PM
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Providing economically disenfranchised women with gainful employment is hardly something that I would refer to with the verb phrase "do to". "Do for", certainly, but not "do to".


It is historically common for armies to bring their own prostitutes and camp followers. The real problem with the comfort women program is that it was implemented with poor oversight, particularly on the recruitment end.
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post Oct 15 2007, 05:15 PM
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Japan had encouraged the civilian populations of iwoto and Okinawa to killed themselves rather than fall into the hands of the americans. They painted the Americans as sex crazy brutes. They had no evidence beyond their own prejudice.

Even without orders Americans as a group are kind occupiers. Once the fighting is done they tend to be friendly and generous. I think they really do think how would they like their families to be treated. Many Japanese were so touched by the generosity of Americans, especially towards children, that it eased the shame of being defeated to the point that it is forgotten today.

The Tokyo government had painted the Americans as such brutes that when they offered their own food and medicine to the civilians of Okinawa, that those people were shocked by it. Look to just the riots in Okinawa in the last few weeks over proposed changes to Japanese school books about who were the real murderers on Okinawa.
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post Oct 15 2007, 05:25 PM
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Linky on the riots?
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post Oct 15 2007, 05:52 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMo...ST8497020070929

http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.php/ct/...id/286616/cs/1/

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9666

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stor...es/s2050307.htm
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post Oct 15 2007, 06:22 PM
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Thankee.
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post Oct 15 2007, 06:55 PM
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For those who do not use the links. In an on going white wash of WW2 history Tokyo removed references of the Imperial Army coercing civilians into committing suicide from School books. People in Okinawa keep very much alive the history that many were forced to suicide by the army, rather than fall into the hands of the barbarians. There is a wonderful photo of a GI holding out some food to a tiny old lady. Both are seen in profile. He is a young GI. She looks about 850 years old. they do not speak the same language, but there is a world of understanding shown in their faces. Both are human. neither is an antagonist.

With the books about to become issued, the citizens of Okinawa protested, loudly, in the streets. Since they vote, they have more pull than the Chinese and Koreans who similarly protested other revisions.
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post Oct 15 2007, 07:04 PM
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The Japanese had the right idea with comfort women.

Yes because sexual slavery is just oh so fun. Grow a brain you berk or try reading up on something before commenting on it. Granted I know the internet usually actively discourages things like that but even so.
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post Oct 15 2007, 07:17 PM
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the Japanese actually did have the right idea with comfort women. once you've conquered another nation, you're faced with the problem of keeping them from revolting. one good way to do that is to break their morale, and shipping their women off to be sex slaves is a sure-fire morale breaker. and by keeping your own market full of sex slaves, you increase your own country's morale. win-win.
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post Oct 15 2007, 07:19 PM
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I think the bit FlakJacket is missing is that your mileage varies heavily based on the definition of "right" being used.

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post Oct 15 2007, 07:29 PM
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wait just a damn minute, sirrah. are you implying that different cultures, and even different individuals within a given culture, may have different outlooks which lead to said cultures and/or individuals having different ideas about right and wrong, good and evil, chocolate and vanilla?

you dirty terrarist.
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post Oct 15 2007, 07:53 PM
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Berk?

What are you talking about you clueless prime?
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you dirty terrarist.

My subversive treachery goes deeper—not merely into the idea that different things may be "right", but that there may even be different "right"s, most obviously the idea of "right" as in "morally right" and "right" as in "correct", and since something can only be "correct" in a given context (1+1 only equals 2 in the context of arithmetic, not in the context of say string concatenation where it equals 11), there may even be different "right" as in "correct"s for different contexts.

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post Oct 22 2007, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (swirler @ Oct 11 2007, 12:14 AM)
or possibly a new "hive" starting

Or, the party's first run with noob players it's the bordello. A year later with the same gaming group give them what appears to be a repeat of their first mission but the second time over when they're more experienced it's actually a highly dangerous insect hive and everything inside feels that the PCs must not leave alive.

Truly evil- or maybe they get a call from a kid they saved before, who needs help again, but they don't know he's already part of the hive.
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