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 Oct 22 2007, 06:23 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon...  Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698  |
Seems like I mixed the two courts up. Thanks for the clarification. :)
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Oct 22 2007, 09:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
I'm fairly certain all the Serbian war criminals were tried by ad hoc tribunals set up specifically for the purpose. The ICC didn't get set up for a long long time, because the US was opposed to its creation. The sticking point for us wasn't anything as noble as "you're violating the sovereignty that African nations need in order to govern effectively," it was more a matter of us realizing that US citizens would be left open to prosecution. I believe in the end, the compromise was that we wouldn't oppose it's creation, and in return US citizens get immunity from it. That's ok, though, because Americans never do anything wrong.
I personally think it's a noble idea to hold war criminals to account. Whether that makes me pro-African-child-rape is open to debate. |
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Oct 22 2007, 11:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
Thank God people don't create and manipulate speech in the U.S. I cannot imagine Orwell was the first person to notice that this is done, and has been done for a long time. |
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Oct 23 2007, 12:12 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'm having trouble telling whether this is dry sarcasm or if it's said straightforwardly—if the former, my apologies for the things I'm about to unnecessarily point out: USAPATRIOT act Regime change PROTECT act Hard-working Americans (or enter nationality here) Those are the ones that come to mind without delving into potentially contentious territory. ~J |
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Oct 23 2007, 12:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 2-November 06 From: Bozeman, MT Member No.: 9,762 |
What I would consider more telling control/manipulation of political speech is the way accusing someone of being a communist implies that they eat children (or something along those lines) and want to be the 2nd coming of Joseph Stalin. Even if said person has little to do with endorsing communist ideas.
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Oct 23 2007, 02:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
That's commie talk. This is America. Love it or leave it. |
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Oct 23 2007, 05:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
I should feel insulted that there was any doubt as to my sarcasm. |
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Oct 23 2007, 05:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You should, but I hope it's mitigated by the fact that I don't know you and a brief glance at what passes for public discourse these days.
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Oct 23 2007, 06:14 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
haha, yeah. i know several people who could say that and be completely sincere.
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Oct 23 2007, 07:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
One day, someone will invent a device that lets sarcasm travel over the internet, and they will be a hero to nerds and jackasses everywhere. Well, at least the nerd and jackass that's writing this.
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Oct 23 2007, 07:58 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,100 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
One of my favourites is a former provincial (equivalent to U.S. state) political party here using as their slogan, "The Common Sense Revolution". They represented a minority, elitist view, made illogical claims, and represented the same-old-same-old power structure. But anyone disagreeing with them immediately got labelled as opposing common sense and change. And all they did was draft a slogan. |
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Oct 23 2007, 08:39 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Punishment is not accountability. Punishment is revenge. Revenge discourages accountability. True accountability can only come from universal forgiveness and reconciliation, because then people who made mistakes can freely admit so. A system of mandatory vengeance only encourages those who have committed the worst crimes to cover their tracks by any means necessary and encourages more violence. Once you've murdered one person, you might as well murder a billion more to cover it up; the punishment is the same, either way. |
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Oct 23 2007, 08:53 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
uh, that cuts both ways. once you've murdered one person, you may as well murder a billion more to cover it up (or even just for fun); forgiveness is the same, either way.
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Oct 23 2007, 09:11 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Yep. But since you can't make dead people live again, efforts should be focused on stopping the violence. Obviously, you can't just pat someone on the back and say that al is forgiving while to continues to prosecute a war against you. When he's ready to disarm and talk peace, on the other hand, slapping him in the face with the prospect of punishment only serves to cause more strife, particularly when he is willing to admit his wrongdoing and give up the means to continue fighting. |
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