Artwork, Question/opinion (warning: NC-17) Options

[ialdabaoth]

I'm making a series of sketches, and one of the things I'm working on is an meta-friendly strip club/brothel. I can definitely do elves and humans, and can probably get dwarves down reasonably well, but what body type and proportions would an 'attractive' female ork tend to have? I'm trying to go for the super-bodybuilder look, and I don't know if I'm pulling it off... any ideas before I embarrass myself with a crappy drawing?

[mfb]

the 'bodybuilder' look could work, i guess, but not for all of them. a more reasonable route would be to simply draw them on a larger scale--same proportions as a normal human, but larger.

[ialdabaoth]

Right then.

Anyone willing to check out a non-work-safe, non-kid-safe, non-kitten-safe picture, any criticism on the size/shapes of the metas is appreciated (keep in mind that these are all strippers, and therefore possibly 'augmented' - but I still want to get a feel for what the various metatypes look like).

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[Siege]

I'd guess that female orks would have a higher percentage of "Butch" looking individuals, based on the physical mods orks get.

However, elves never suffer a penalty to body even though they are almost always portrayed as skinny anorexics.

-Siege

[nezumi]

Personally, I'd imagine orks would go for the same sorts of ladies as everyone else; whatever is on the billboards. I suspect that, on average, ork women will be more butch, however the attractive ones will still subscribe to the same set of rules that make everyone else attractive. Sexy orks will still be slim and will accentuate their curves.

[Jr. Woodchuck]

Okay a woman can be muscular and still very physically attractive. If you go to any gym, your bound to see one woman that hangs out in the weight room and has a very toned and sexy body. With cut arms that define her shoulder, triceps, etc. I am not talking about the women that have an abnormal amount of testosterone running thru their blood and thus get as big as the men in weightlifting.

Simply draw her with the normal dimensions of an ork, but slightly smaller. Orks tend to be muscular so draw in the muscle, but give her a more "fit" look then the "bodybuilder" look.

[Lilt]

Look at the start of the applied simsense section of CC. There's a pic (on p59) of two women who are presumably orcs (from the tusks and ears) but otherwise look just like humans.

[Snow_Fox]

I think butch, body builder females is a good way to go, but add to that a large breast area. Female body builders in RL seem to have no breasts.

[Dogsoup]

I be... lieve... SSG has two ork women but Im not sure. At least one, in that "interview" section, sitting at a cafe. And then there's this street scene with a female ork hobo at the right, dunno if that's in the SSG though...

Massive kudos to Djurdevic IMO, for choosing other themes than the bearded dwarf rigger or other SR clichés one encounter every now and then...

Lilt:
Those are good examples of looking-good-orcs but since it's a depiction of simsense, they have just about as much in common with the average orks, as RL women with starved models ;)

[Snow_Fox]

Most of the pics of dwarven women show them without beards but with Dolly Parton sized chests.

[Lilt]

[Siege]

[hobgoblin]

hmm, there is this image of a troll "lady" in target:matrix...

[ialdabaoth]

So, what ARE the specifics of the 'no pornography' rule? Is it okay to post this picture for anatomical criticism, or should I avoid doing so?

[Ol' Scratch]

Considering some of the art in the books (especially Rigger 3 and just about anything by Prescott), I can't imagine any valid objection. But then, I also don't understand why Americans lust after violence and encourage children to see it, but get scared by nudity and sex, either.

[ialdabaoth]

Neither can I, to be honest.

Well, here goes again, then. If one of the ops sees this and objects, please either edit this post and remove the link, or ask me to do so - and accept my apology.

Girls! Girls! Girls!

[Tanka]

Dwarves are hairy, ain't they? Unless I'm just being racist against dwarves, that is.

[moosegod]

All Dwarves are portrayed as having beards, and the ones who don't probably get five o'clock shadows at noon.

The women are probably hairier than we're used to, but strippers and models are going to either shave or get bioware mods.

You forgot the dermal plating on the Troll chick.

[Tanka]

Or some serious plastic surgery. Which could help the whole lack-of-dermal on the troll, which I also overlooked as a possibility for the dwarf.

[Raptor1033]

is it just me or is the troll the hottest one? ;) just a small criticism but the waist and ribcage area on the ork look a bit too thin, she looks more like a snake in that area than a metahuman, i think it's a bit out of proportion even compared to today's models. oh and the orc's piercings...are they on the outside of her clothing?? and just for the sake of the pic you may want to move the dwarven gal somewhere else, the center of the pic seems to be right on the orc gal, so i didn't even notice the dwarf at first. she's too far away from the main focus, maybe put her between the ork and elf or in front of the humans bent leg. and i love the banner!

[ialdabaoth]

Updated... better?

[Dogsoup]

Can only agree with most of what Raptor said:
The "trog smileys" were cute, and you've done a really good job on the dwarf so she deserves to be slightly more centered in the composition. Letting the troll lie down in the background was a great decision, but I'll have to say she looked a bit too elfin... :)
Overall, cool and funny!

[ialdabaoth]

'k... beefed up the troll a bit (and gave her skin a darker, more mottled appearance), moved the dwarf to left-center, and put the troll a bit further backstage... look better?

[mfb]

you don't have to be 'butch' to be stronger and tougher than a normal human. look at the size and weight norms for orks and trolls--they're not stronger and tougher because they have a tendency towards being buff, they're stronger and tougher because they're physically larger.

once you're satisfied with the pic, shrink it to about 60% (if you hadn't already planned to). shrinking it tightens up the lines and makes a pic look unbelievably better.

[Dread Polack]

Okay, now I'm very interested in this subject. I think I'm going to scribble up my own version of some nice metahuman strippers :) Actually, I intend to draw some "ideal" versions of a female ork, dwarf, and troll. I think I'll just leave out the human and elf, since we've all seen humans, and elves are just barely slimmer than humans. But then, who knows, maybe I'll stick 'em in there for comparison.

But my two cents regarding your work specifically: it depends on what you're going for. A short rant:

I see there being two things that attract us to women: our basic biological desire to breed, and out own personal asthetic preferences. Large boobs, child-bearing hips, and a youthful and healthy appearance is almost universal, but I also prefer short hair on women to long hair, and a tanned complexion has never mattered to me. I think that metahumans would have a biological desire to propogate with their own race more so than with other races, but that's only a part, and even a fairly small part, of what would attract them to the opposite gender. In the world of 2060, not long after a time when humans were the only race, cultural ideals still favor traditional human looks. That means that even though an ork would want to breed with an ork, they still are being bombarded with images of skinny human women instead of hardy, healthy ork women. It's the same in real life. Your typical 0% body fat model isn't exactly the best breeding material, but we've gone beyond our basic biological drives, for better or for worse, and designed an asthetic we all like despite it.

So, I think that in the world of Shadowrun, metahuman women who look more like humans or elves would do best in any profession that is dependant on their appearance. Those born with near-human looks would be favored, and those who aren't, would undergo surgery. I can imagine dwarfs undergoing bone lengthening proceedures to be taller, orks and trolls replacing tusks to be smaller, dermal plating being removed, and various other surgeries. Of course, boob jobs will likely never go out of style, and will likely improve in technology.

So, your picture is right-on as far as I'm concerned. The ork and troll likely weren't born that way, but were lucky enough to be more human-like, and took it further, spurred by the potential they possessed. They're probably resented by many of their kind, and not respected by other races. Some black models have been criticized for being "too white," intentionally, and I can imagine similar treatment.

At the same time, more natural dwarf, ork, and troll women might be a novelty to some. It takes all kinds. In real life, we're into all kinds of things (again, for better or worse).

Anyway, I'll try to get my sketches up ASAP.

Dread Polack