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 Nov 24 2004, 08:40 PM
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Well, completely side-stepping the concept that Tom Hanks is a bad actor. The actual thing that made that movie "stale" feeling is something that most people don't notice in movies. And it was two things in this case. 1) lack of music...believe it or not, that can kill a movie 2) cinematogarphy...long shots without much movement and the only thing happening was the dialog. Point 2 happened a often back in the 50's erra of movies. That's often why present audiances find those older ones boring. Today, even "still" shots are most times subtly moving slowly a little so that it doesn't appear stiff and boring. Ladykillers was a screen play of talking heads. No real action in it. Kind of like Kevin Smith films. The problem here is that there was no "richness" to the colors used in the film and it didn't help that a lack of music and camera motion during long bouts of talking heads accompanied it. There were some great moments in that movie, and I liked some of the things that the cinematogarpher did, but mostly it was pretty stale and just a visual requirement for the delivery of the dialogue. |
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Nov 25 2004, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Queensland Member No.: 3,180 |
The Rocker was an archetype in SR1! Also, the jarring camera work made The Bourne Supremacy a bit annoying. |
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Nov 25 2004, 02:02 AM
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That's like saying that a gaping head wound is a bit annoying.
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Nov 25 2004, 02:36 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I saw Supremacy in theaters twice. First time, friend of mine shows up already a bit late; we rush there, but alas: there are only three seats left. In the first row. If you've seen Supremacy, you already understand where this is going.
Suffice to say, I didn't enjoy that. The second time I saw it, I made sure we got there early and sat near the last row, and aside from a few moments of pretentious excess (fight with Jarda and Moscow car chase, specifically), I actually very much enjoyed the cinematography, but it's far too stylized for casual viewing. As for the film, it had problems, though I ultimately liked it. |
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Nov 25 2004, 05:37 AM
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Actually, I thought it was apt in the fight with the other agent (I assume Jarda, I wasn't paying that much attention). But for the rest... Let me just quote something I wrote elsewhere:
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Nov 25 2004, 07:27 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It wasn't the director of photography's fault. Paul Greengrass used the same technique in Bloody Sunday, and it's a pretty sure bet that the cinematography was entirely his call. And fault.
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Nov 25 2004, 09:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 803 Joined: 16-March 02 From: The Great White North Member No.: 2,386 |
No one had .. and you beat me to it! Can we say "Megacorporate Enclave," kiddies? :) Mmmmm, gun kata.... |
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Nov 25 2004, 09:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
Has Gymkata been mentioned? Because I'll throw that in there too.
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Nov 25 2004, 09:52 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
This Gymkata? I just might have to hunt down a copy.
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Nov 25 2004, 10:09 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
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Nov 25 2004, 10:10 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's the one. It's cool to watch, but just don't expect realistic fight scenes or high-quality cinema. :D
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Nov 25 2004, 11:44 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
Realistic fight scenes aren't that common anyway. When you think back over the great cinematic fight scenes, they don't really resemble real life violence. With good reason. I saw Hero a few months ago, and I kept thinking, "When did Chinese people learn to fly? Does our State Department know about this?"
As far as "realistic" fight scenes go, my personal favorite is They Live Mad Dog and Glory had a couple of pretty good ones too, my fave is the one between David Caruso and Mike Starr, though the one between Bill Murray and Robert Deniro was also good, if only because its them. So, Mad Dog and Glory and They Live, on the list. Edit: I don't know if its been mentioned, but if we allow tv series in, I gotta put a big vote in for Venture Brothers. Anyone who hasn't seen that needs to. |
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Nov 25 2004, 11:54 AM
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It's the DP's job. I appreciate the Director being the last word, but the DP could have walked away if he had a shred of dignity.
They Live had a great fight as far as realism goes. Other than that, I saw one on TV the other day which was "realistic" to the extent that neither fighter knew what they were doing, and were complete and utter spazzes. But one good shot and it was all over. There's another one I saw recently, but I can't recall. All I remember is that it was awkward, close-in, and over rather quickly. |
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Nov 25 2004, 02:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
That seems unduly harsh for a number of reasons. For one, we're talking about the Bourne Supremacy, not a 15-hour documentary on Apartheid. Who wants to walk away from a paying job and a screen credit? One could argue that having your name attached to a bad movie is worse than the stigma of walking out on a picture, except that people who make bad movies tend to do so many times; proving once again that in Hollywood, it is not whether you succeed or fail, but only the magnitude of your sucess and failures. Beyond that, who knows, maybe those guys are genuises. Perhaps in 20 years, or 40 years, thats simply what movies will look like, and we're just not brilliant enough to know it. In another part of this thread, people are complaining that The Ladykillers failed because it was too old-fashioned, perhaps the BS (what an apt abbr), is simply too modern for us. Hitchcock did a film called Rope, which was shot as though it was one take. There are almost no cuts in the movie at all. Every ten minutes (the length of a film reel in those days), someone would cross in front of the camera or something to give the momentary blackout so they could switch reels. Someone doing that today would end up on IFC at 0230 on a Wed. |
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Nov 25 2004, 02:44 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
I saw Ghost in the Shell: Innocence last night in a theatre.
My. God. Un-freakin-believable animation, and thoroughly enjoyable. I'm still in shock. |
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Nov 25 2004, 03:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Of course, who could forget Versus?
~J |
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Nov 25 2004, 04:32 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
<raises hand> But that's probably a voluntary forgetfulness. (Any zombie movie without even a little token nudity is not a good zombie movie, dammit!)
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Nov 25 2004, 09:29 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Not me. No matter how hard I try. |
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Nov 26 2004, 04:30 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
I speaking from memory here, but I think Shaun of the Dead didn't have any nudity in it, and it is my pick for the best zombie movie since Romero made the category. Hell, it was comedy and it was a scarier zombie flick than the DoD remake or 28 Days Later. (Which, to my gamer mind, should technically be called "ghoul" movies. If its slow and wants to eat your brain, Zombie. If its fast and wants to eat your brain, "Ghoul". No brainer.) |
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Nov 26 2004, 04:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Shaun of the Dead gets special treatment 'cause it included a cricket bat and the use of L.P.s as weapons.
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Nov 26 2004, 06:27 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
I loved the scene where there were thumbing through the discs deciding on what to throw and keep. That and the part where they thought there was a drunk lady in the backyard. heh. Shaun's sidekick was a riot... maybe I should base a character off of him... |
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Nov 26 2004, 07:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Shaun of the Dead, just in general, prodded serious buttock.
Just my two cents. Altho I think my fav scene is at the beginning when Shaun jumps in the game that the side kick is playing ("Player 2 has entered the game"), he's reminded of work, then you hear "Player 2 has left the game". Hehe. |
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Nov 26 2004, 10:01 AM
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Hello. This is my first post...well, ever. I glanced through the previous replies, and I am not sure, but I don't think anyone has metioned this movie yet. Called New Rose Hotel it stars Wilem Dafoe and Christopher Walken as two freelance corporate spies. It is a prime example how careful planning, good instincts and killer skills/talent can mean absolutely nothing when you trust the wrong person. It is also a cautionary tale of crossing the wrong Corp at the wrong time, the resulting consequences of said Corp's wrath, as well as one of the best examples of Coffin Hotels on film.
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Nov 26 2004, 05:45 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
New Rose Hotel is directly based off a Gibson story by the same name., FYI.
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Nov 27 2004, 07:16 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 26-November 04 Member No.: 6,849 |
Good to know, thank you.
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