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Kagetenshi
post Nov 18 2004, 11:30 PM
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I don't like the fact that they left out the scene from the Manga where Kusanagi and Batou chew out the girl at the end for causing the deaths she did, and Koil Krasnov deserved a bit more show IMO, but overall awesome. Batou is my example of choice for why legit doesn't necessarily mean not needing safehouses out the Wazoo.

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post Nov 18 2004, 11:48 PM
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The thing about Heat (and to a lesser extent, Ronin), there's really not much to say.

If you've seen it, you know it's a great SR movie,

If you haven't, and you're reading a thread like this it's always in the list of Must-see movies.

Then, presuming you haven't, have read this thread, and aren't too broke to rent it, you see it and move up to the first category.

I mean, there's plenty of things in the movie to talk about, and about why it's so badass. Weapons use, planning, combat modifiers, working with contacts, fences, fixers, J's, corp bad guys, and why runners probably don't (or ought not) have families, and various other aspects. I also think it's a great movie on its face, regardless of its relevance to SR. Of course, I'm also one of the people who's never suggested the plot with Natalie Portman's character should have been ditched, so... make of that what you will.
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post Nov 18 2004, 11:55 PM
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I'm a huge fan of animation (including *shock* actually owning Akira) - the only reason that got in there is because Cowboy Bebop is on what I (and Sky TV for that matter) would consider a kids channel (it's either Fox Kids, Cartoon Network or Toonami), whichever my son was watching earlier.
Just as a note, this is a horrible assumption. Cartoon Network/Toonami's average viewership is about 30, and that's their target demopgraphic. Not a kid's channel at all. :)

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On similar lines, the recent Collateral didn't get the recognition it deserved. That movie was just fucking wonderful, and while I have my issues with it (mostly the ending), I highly recommend it.
I completely agree. The original ending tested badly with screeners so the ending was changed to what was released in theatres. And yes, the original ending was pretty close to what was hinted at nby the detective in the movie. I can only hope a director's cut of that comes out.

Aaaanyhoo...

HEAT
Collateral
Dawn of the Dead (remake)
Ronin
Blade Runner
Soldier....

yeah...
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post Nov 18 2004, 11:56 PM
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I find it impossible that nobody mentioned Blade! Unless I just missed it.

Not mentioned:

Blade
The Crow
AI
Resident Evil

mentioned:

Blade Runner
Mortal Combat
Ronin
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post Nov 19 2004, 12:09 AM
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Ocean 's 11? Amatures! Heat? Ha! Ronin? Double HA!!

Thief. James Cann. Denis Farina. Wille Nelson. Directed by Michael Mann. You want SR. This is it. Also the original Thomas Crown Affair. An old tv series with Robert Wagner, It Takes a Thief. Let's dig deep people. Why are we recycling only movies made in the last 20-30 years. Surly there must be more....

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post Nov 19 2004, 01:35 AM
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Very old topic - but good one. It's time to shake it a bit :)
Some old movies:
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- Mark 13 - very cyberpunkish forgotten b-class movie:) with Iggy Pop as Angry Bob DJ. The idea is rather lame, but(robot try to kill a girl. She's pure mechanic archetype, by the way:) ) the scenography and few quotes makes this movie real cult one:-)


I believe it was actually Hardware. The robot's designation or modle number was MARK 13. Its been brought up around here before, IIRC. Anywho, it also starred Dillon McDurmont as chrome handed merc, there was also a [quasi] adept, a [sorta] dwarf techie, and I think there was a fixer in there somewhere.

All in all, a very underrated movie. :)

Other non-mentions:
Montana
And that one with Ray Liota as a corrupt cop...can't believe I can't think of it right now. Name of state or city or something like that...


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post Nov 19 2004, 01:58 AM
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I just bought the Director's Cut version of Blade Runner. New ending, apparently. I'm contemplating buying the regular version to see the normal ending.

Yes, tonight was my first time seeing it ever. Harrison Ford does a surprisingly good job in a Cyberpunk movie.

Anybody find it odd that Ice Cube manages to find a way into every new Cyberpunk movie there is?
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post Nov 19 2004, 02:12 AM
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One I haven't seen mentioned, but only because I'm just skimming this one sometimes: The Score. Robert De Niro, Edward Norton, and Marlon Brando star in this one, about a heist that shouldn't be possible, and the professional who makes it happen, and the amateur who gets greedy.

Good stuff, Thanos007's disdain of recent films notwithstanding.
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post Nov 19 2004, 02:19 AM
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Anyone know of good black-and-white Shadowrun films other than the Keystone Kops?

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post Nov 19 2004, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE (tanka)
I just bought the Director's Cut version of Blade Runner. New ending, apparently. I'm contemplating buying the regular version to see the normal ending.

The Director's Cut blows chunks when compared to the original! This is one of the only movies I know of where this is the case.
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post Nov 19 2004, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Anyone know of good black-and-white Shadowrun films other than the Keystone Kops?

Does Metropolis count? At least as far as Megacorporations and Dystopian settings go?
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post Nov 19 2004, 02:58 AM
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I considered Metropolis. I think the protagonists are too heroic, though.

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post Nov 19 2004, 03:03 AM
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How about Alphaville then? It's a little more space fantasy than normal (much like my favorite "Shadowrun movie," The Fifth Element), but still pretty close all things considered.
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Nov 18 2004, 09:19 PM)
Anyone know of good black-and-white Shadowrun films other than the Keystone Kops?

~J

Um, "Cassablanca," and/or "The Maltese Flacon," maybe an old Frankenstien? :)

edit: and almost any old "gumshoe" detective flick.

What about old westerns? Do you guys think some of them count?

Depending on your game, The Godfather movies (or the Sopranos) could count. Also, "King of New York"

I could go on and on if I thought about it. Once you remove the Sci-fi of SR, almost any movie with con men/faces ("Mathcstick Men") or guns, violence, car chases and/or smart talking underdog protagonists might count. :)

I'll go there: "Kangaro Jack" Hey--its got guns, the mob, hitmen, bumbling lowlifes, and an Awakened Kagaroo!! C'mon! :D
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:12 AM
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I still need to see Alphaville, but from what I've heard of it, I'd say that works. Thanks.

Tarzan versus IBM would have been an interesting title.

Kevyn668, also good suggestions. My memory is clearly working poorly these days.

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post Nov 19 2004, 03:22 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (tanka @ Nov 19 2004, 12:58 PM)
I just bought the Director's Cut version of Blade Runner.  New ending, apparently.  I'm contemplating buying the regular version to see the normal ending.

The Director's Cut blows chunks when compared to the original! This is one of the only movies I know of where this is the case.

If I can find a copy of the original for rent, I'll take a look.

However, personally, I don't want to spend another $15 on a movie I'll watch occasionally. (No, not even $10 or $5. I'm just that cheap.)
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:26 AM
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Keep your eyes out for it ... it is definitely worth the rental fee. :)
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE (tanka)
QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 18 2004, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE (tanka @ Nov 19 2004, 12:58 PM)
I just bought the Director's Cut version of Blade Runner.  New ending, apparently.  I'm contemplating buying the regular version to see the normal ending.

The Director's Cut blows chunks when compared to the original! This is one of the only movies I know of where this is the case.

If I can find a copy of the original for rent, I'll take a look.

However, personally, I don't want to spend another $15 on a movie I'll watch occasionally. (No, not even $10 or $5. I'm just that cheap.)

I like the original better, too.

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post Nov 19 2004, 03:30 AM
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Two good heist movies that came out in the past few years were Heist and The Good Thief. Both had excellent casts. Miller's Crossing is older, but still a very good mobwar scenario.

The Blade series gets a personal nod from me, since I use a lot of vampire type stuff in my games. I also enjoyed Reign of Fire; you have to take your modern technology vs dragons where you find them. Things to do in Denver When You're Dead springs to mind. As Stumps pointed out in the other thread, Flatliners was very good, and I'm going to toss The Lost Boys in on that with Dark City for the Kiefer Sutherland trifecta. I would have also accepted Truth or Consequences, NM.

But what I am really saying is (because of how adaptable the system is and because how much source material the world can draw upon), Every Movie is a Shadowrun Movie.

And lastly, I'll toss this link up one last time since this post is about movies specifically: Cyber Cinema Classics
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:31 AM
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Yeah, that was the bit I read. It's even on the back of the Director's Cut case.

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Anybody seen Lord Foreshadow? :D
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:36 AM
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Err...what's it called when an old post is dragged up from the graveyard of elderly postings? Just wondering.

Ya know, I actually have each and every new player I've ever had watch The Way of the Gun before I let 'em in the game. That movie, of all that have been listed and mentioned, is the one that I can point to and tell people, "This is what happens when a milk run turns sour; this is what most Shadowruns devolve into; and yes, they do probably die at the end. Life of crime is a bitch."

Plus, it does have the classic line that made tears stream down my face the first time I heard it: "Shut that bitches mouth before I come over there and fuck-start her skull"!

I've been waiting for someone to say that to Sarrah Silverman for a long time. :love:
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post Nov 19 2004, 03:40 AM
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Plus, it does have the classic line that made tears stream down my face the first time I heard it: "Shut that bitches mouth before I come over there and fuck-start her skull"!


Heh. Free advice, never assume a woman (or her steroid monster boyfriend) has seen that movie and thus would know that you were just quoting a line from a movie when engaged in a heated game of "caps" with said women. ;)
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post Nov 19 2004, 04:03 AM
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This is probably useless to you all since I can't remember the name of the movie (gawddammit!), but there's a live action manga film where a bunch of eco-terrorists break in to a big corporate skyscraper to graffit an office and expose the nasty toxic chemical practices of the corp. Unfortunately, inside this high security tower is, in the basement, a 15 year old techno wiz who only wants to make drones, so the corp keep him down there and let him cos he comes up with totally wiz stuff. The terrorists get trapped in the building and the tech releases his latest killemallandletgodsortitout drone.

Its a very kewl film, and with a little tweaking can be stolen almost wholesale for a shadowrun. If anyone can remember the name of it I'd appreciate it cos I'd love to try getting hold of it!

Yes I realize the post is almost a year late but I hadn't seen the movie yet and didn't read the original thread either. SHUT UP!!! ;)

The name of the film in question is called Death Machine and I personally thought it was terrible.

As far as the whole Blade Runner debate goes, I liked the original version for the narrative. It gave the movie more of that noir feel.
On the other hand the director cut makes more sense from the characters point of view as to why they make the decisions they do. Look for the subtle points and think deep. All things considered my vote is for the Directors Cut.
And no, I'm not going to recomend a movie. :P
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post Nov 19 2004, 05:00 AM
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Why are we recycling only movies made in the last 20-30 years.

Well, if you did a survey of the ages of the users here, you'd probably be answering your own question.

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And that one with Ray Liota as a corrupt cop...can't believe I can't think of it right now. Name of state or city or something like that...

Narc? Great ending, btw.

Joe Carnahan's first movie, Blood, Guts, Bullets and Octane was also great.

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Chekcing this IMDb, you're probably either referring to Phoenix, or Cop Land. My money's on the former of the two.

Also, another great Liotta movie to mention just because I know a SR player who's obsessed with it...

NO ESCAPE!

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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Anyone know of good black-and-white Shadowrun films other than the Keystone Kops?

The Third Man

BFI's "the best British films ever," and the film with one of the greatest scenes ever filmed. Period.
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Look down there. Would you really feel any pity if one of those dots stopped moving - forever? If I said you could have twenty thousand pounds for every dot that stops, would you really, old man, tell me to keep my money--without hesitation? Or would you calculate how many dots you could afford to spare? Free of income tax, old man. Free of income tax. It's the only way to save nowadays.

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In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
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post Nov 19 2004, 05:05 AM
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Another awesome movie. Another embarrassing moment as I realize that it's another movie that I've seen and should have thought of.

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