 Reflex Recorders and skill groups, How are they used together? |
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 Oct 30 2007, 02:02 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300  |
Hey a player in my group wonder how Reflex Recorders works for a skill group.
Now, RRs gives a bonus either to a skill or a skill group. The former is easy enough, although you have to have at least 2 in a skill to benefit from the RR (can't have more bonus to a skill than half the skill rating). It gets tricky when applying it to a skill group though. Can you benefit from it even if you don't have a skill group? Sure, I guess you'd still need 2 in the relevant skill to get a bonus to it, but can this be bought at a later stage? Or do you need to have 2 in the skill group to benefit at all from the RR? What happens if you break up the skill group later, does the bonus to the skillls in the group still apply? |
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Oct 30 2007, 02:07 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,856 Joined: 25-July 07 Member No.: 12,360 |
I would try to think about this logically. If I have some weird computer in my brain-pan that gives me familiarity with the use of every firearm ever produced, am I no longer going to be able to use that when I become slightly more proficient in firing a pistol?
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Oct 30 2007, 02:12 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Personally, I would let a character benefit from the RR if they had the skill at 1, since most rounding in Shadowrun favors the PC.
That being said, there is no rule that states that someone cannot get an implant they can't (yet) use. A person doesn't have to have skill in firearms to have a smartlink implanted (or a cybergun installed). You don't have to have any social skills to have tailored pheromones implanted. There is no reason that I can see why a character couldn't get a Group RR implanted even though he doesn't have all the associated skills at 2. |
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Oct 30 2007, 02:26 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Since this isn't some sort of cheap way to get extra dice, I wouldn't have any problem allowing a group RR to add bonus dice to the individual skills in a group at different levels, given a restriction on the amount of bonus dice pool allowed.
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Oct 30 2007, 03:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,288 Joined: 4-September 06 From: The Scandinavian Federation Member No.: 9,300 |
I don't dispute the fact that you can implant the RRs, only wether you can benefit from it or not. |
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Oct 30 2007, 06:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 2-September 07 From: In the AGS, underwater Member No.: 13,049 |
I thought that according to the errata, RRs actually increase the skill instead of providing bonus dice. Or am I not getting something?
VVVV Ah, remembered one change, forgot the other one. |
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Oct 30 2007, 06:56 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
“ e unmodi ed skill rating assigned at character creation
or purchased during game play is considered to be the character’s base skill rating. Some abilities and implants (as noted) may increase this rating, creating a modi ed skill rating. A modi ed skill cannot exceed the base skill rating x 1.5 (making 9 the maximum possible rating, or 10 with the Aptitude quality). Specializations, spells, and other implants may provide bonus dice to a skill, but do not change the base skill rating. ese extra dice are listed in parentheses a er the base skill, as in Spellcasting 4 (+2).� SR 4 Errata |
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Oct 31 2007, 07:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 2-November 06 From: Bozeman, MT Member No.: 9,762 |
I thought that too, which means that RR's are exempt from the 1/2 skill level cap (bonus dice aren't limited, see above). |
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Oct 31 2007, 08:29 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
RR provide an Augmenten Skill Rating that is capped and the use of a Skill RR with a Skillgroup is completly undefined.
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Oct 31 2007, 08:31 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The text for the Reflex Recorder specifically states that it adds its bonus to the skill, not the Dice Pool.
The Adept Power, Improved Ability also adds its bonus directly to the skill rating. Pretty much everything else is a Dice Pool bonus though. |
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Oct 31 2007, 11:10 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
A skill either has a RR available or it hasn´t. How does it matter if the skill happens to be part of a group?
Cite Calvin: "I got loads of common sense, I just choose to ignore it." |
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