Do spirits have natural/augmented maximums?, If so, what are they? |
Do spirits have natural/augmented maximums?, If so, what are they? |
Nov 17 2007, 04:55 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Lets say you summon a force 4 spirit of fire, and want to make it stronger to make-up for its naturally poor strength (2) to give it more 'oomph' in melee. You thus learn the Increase Attribute (Strength) spell and cast it on the critter. IIRC the spell can't raise something beyond augmented maximum, however, but what is this maximum?
As far as I can tell, there are four real options:
For balance's sake, I'm leaning towards 1, but that really is a pitifully small boost in some cases. It also lets you reach really high numbers when spirits have bonuses already, letting you boost an equivalent Spirit of Earth's strength to 12. Also, am I the only person who's realised that possessing spirits can have their mental attributes pumped a lot more than you might expect according to the FAQ ruling on maximums? Lets say a Honguan force 4 spirit possesses a character with Charisma 4. According to the formula, the augmented maximum for Charisma becomes 12. Sure, it'd take a force 8 Increase Attribute (Charisma) spell with 8 hits to raise it from 4 to 12, but it's not impossible thanks to the low drain of the Increase spells. In-fact the drain for the force 4 spirit is likely to be higher than the drain for the force 8 spell, although the spell drain would probably be physical as you'd be overcasting. Lets say that spirit had the Influence power (Spirit of Man, or a Guardian spirit with the optional power) ... It'd be rolling 16 dice, the target would just be rolling Willpower. |
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Nov 17 2007, 05:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
i'd say option 1. spirits don't have a range of possibilities for their attributes, *all* spirits of that type have the exact same attributes (apparently, at least).
so i would base it on their current attribute. yes, this does make some low-force spirits have really low augmented maximums... i can't say that i see this as being a major problem, personally. |
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Nov 17 2007, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 23-February 06 Member No.: 8,301 |
This can't be done with any existing spell. Increase Attribute is a Physical spell, and spirits can only be targeted by Mana spells.
You could conceivably make a Mana spell that increases an attribute for an astral target (and only astral targets), but there is no precedent for it that I know of. |
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Nov 17 2007, 07:01 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
manaball is a mana spell that works just fine on physical targets. so would a mana version of increase attribute.
the restriction on mana spells is that they only affect living targets, not that they only affect astral targets. |
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Nov 17 2007, 07:47 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
@Eryk the Red:
I'm not sure if you're quoting some rules that I'm not aware of, or have things the wrong way. As far as I know, physical spells can affect dual-natured entities like materialised spirits and possessed people. |
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Nov 17 2007, 07:56 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
Wouldn't that mean that a materialized spirit is immune to fireballs and powerbolts? |
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Nov 17 2007, 08:19 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I think (hope) Eryk the Red is citing the spirit in its (native) astral form. However, this is inconsistent with the original posters question as the OP cited Attributes for Physical form. And ways around casting a physical spell onto the purely astral spirit have been given.
As to the OP's question, I would go with 1.5*(Physical Attribute). |
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Nov 17 2007, 08:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 30-July 04 From: Orebro, Sweden Member No.: 6,523 |
Their _maximum_ stats are linked to their force.. its as simple as that.. if spirits wants to get stronger they better get a higher force.. you cant buff spirits.. :P
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