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DireRadiant View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 06:46 PM Post #51
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Dec 18 2007, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE (Sponge)

QUOTE (FrankTrollman)

In combat he has a rifle and a stun baton, both of which he handles with moderate skill (10 Dice).

I get the impression my POV is quite a bit different from most on this board. 10 dice to me seems like a lot, not "moderate skill", when the average professional gets 6 dice in their field (3 + 3).

(I suppose I'm missing something, as well, but I only count 8 dice for combat - AG6 + 2 skill.)

DS

Combat dicepools are in general larger than other dicepools. The character in question gets +2 dice from smartlinking at range (total 10) and +1 die in melee from the baton's reach (again, total 10).

The bounty hunter I have here isn't supposed to flip out ninja style and murder everything, but he can probably drop a decently powerful opponent almost every IP. That's definitely worth something.

-Frank

Whipstitch View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 06:50 PM Post #53
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386	It's also because the skill list is kind of dumb and shouldn't be thought about too much, nor does it take total dicepool into account. Seriously, look at the thresholds they list in other sections of the book. A threshold of 2 is an "average" task. So your average professional with a 6 dice pool listed apparently fails to do average tasks pretty frequently. Shadowrunners, on the other hand, to be considered good at their job should have the dicepools to have a good solid chance at performing an average task despite having a few stumbling blocks thrown in their way like a wound modifier and insufficient lighting.

X-Kalibur

Dec 18 2007, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE (DireRadiant)

Am I correct in thinking there is no Mystic Adept in the Sample Characters?

Not that I can remember, but thats ok because mystic adepts are worthless and no one plays them anyway :rotfl:

Cain

Dec 18 2007, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE (DireRadiant)

Am I correct in thinking there is no Mystic Adept in the Sample Characters?

Not in the original ones, no. If you see an archetype that'd be well-suited for a physmage, though, feel free to write one up. Since we're maintianing the KISS principle, though it may be a tad complicated.

Stahlseele View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 08:06 PM Post #56
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Siege

Dec 18 2007, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE (X-Kalibur)

QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Dec 18 2007, 01:46 PM)

Am I correct in thinking there is no Mystic Adept in the Sample Characters?

Not that I can remember, but thats ok because mystic adepts are worthless and no one plays them anyway :rotfl:

Except as snacks for mantis spirits.

-Siege

klinktastic View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 09:09 PM Post #58
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,244 Joined: 2-August 07 Member No.: 12,442	Occult Investigator "Peek-a-boo, I see you." [ Spoiler ] Race: Human (0 BP) Mystical Adept (10 BP) Attributes: (180 BP) B: 3 A: 2 R: 3 S: 2 C: 3 I: 5 L: 5 W: 3 Edge: 3 Magic: 5 (Mage 2/ Adept 3) Ess: 6 Mad Skills: (146 BP) Athletics Group 1 Summoning Group 3 Casting Group 3 Influence 1 Stealth 1 Perception 4 Assense 4 Tracking 2 Dodge 2 Pistols 2 Knowledge Skills: (A Lot Free) English N Japanese 2 Arabic 2 Or'zet 2 Biology 2 Chemistry 3 History 1 World Religions 2 Spirits 4 Spell Design 2 Magical Threats 2 Area Knowledge 3 Magical Background 5 Qualities: (-10 BP) Mystical Adept (10 BP) Mentor Spirit (5 BP) Home Ground (10 BP) SINner (-5 BP) Incompetence: Cybercombat (-5 BP) Sensitive Neural Structure (-5 BP) Mild Addition: Jazz (-5 BP) Mild Addition: BTLs (-5 BP) Mild Allergy: Common (-10 BP) Adept Powers (3 points) Sustenance Analytics 2 Enhance Perception 2 Eidetic Sense Memory Piercing Sense 1 Astral Perception Spells Stunbolt Mind Probe Increased Reflexes Influence Gear and Lifestyle: (14 BP) Hammerli -quickdraw holster -silencer Ares Viper Silvergun -laser sight -quickdraw holster 10 clips, 150 flechette, 100 SnS Armor Vest -Chem Protect 6 -Nonconductivity 6 Novatech Airware Commlink -Iris Orb OS -Encrypt 4 -ECCM 2 AR Gloves Trodes Bound Sustaining Focus 2 Etc.... Contacts: (8 BP) Talismonger C4/L2 Bartender C1/L1 Edit: Dropped 3 spells and reduced a contact to add magic 5 to get astral perspection.

Carver View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 09:41 PM Post #59
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Dec 18 2007, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE (Carver @ Dec 18 2007, 04:41 PM)

Don't you have to buy astral perception (adept power) as a mystical adept?

You don't have to, but you won't be able to do much with your Assensing skill without it.

-Frank

Edit: Next, I call dibbs on the Smuggler.

Carver

Dec 18 2007, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE (FrankTrollman)

QUOTE (Carver @ Dec 18 2007, 04:41 PM)

Don't you have to buy astral perception (adept power) as a mystical adept?

You don't have to, but you won't be able to do much with your Assensing skill without it.

-Frank

Yeah, that's sort of what I was getting at :)

Mr. Unpronouncea... Mr. Unpronounceable View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 11:03 PM Post #62
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770	Well, there's always addiction:deepweed for the character who doesn't buy astral perception.

klinktastic View Member Profile	Dec 18 2007, 11:40 PM Post #63
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,244 Joined: 2-August 07 Member No.: 12,442	Done!

FrankTrollman

Dec 18 2007, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE (klinktastic)

Done!

That was a joke. You actually need to have the Astral Perception power before you can purchase the Assensing Skill.

In order to make the Deepweed thing work, you need to buy Astral Perception, and the Assensing skill, and then take Cyberware afterwards and sell off the Astral Perception power and addict yourself to Deepweed to get your skill use back.

-Frank

Whipstitch View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 12:30 AM Post #65
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386	Since everyone's hating on Mystic Adepts, I thought I'd put in this entry for the "Radical Eco Shaman". A radical eco shaman, imho, should be charismatic and driven, perhaps even a bit of a Luddite; the kind of person that has the presence to organize rallies and talk hoods into attacking the corps. The one "problem" with it, however, is the character I ended up with was better at being a Face than anything, so I toned down the Influence skill group and diversified a bit into Demolitions, First aid and Survival, but it's still pretty powerful socially. [ Spoiler ] Metatype : Human Attributes : 190 bp Body: 3 Agility: 4 (6) Reaction: 3 Strength: 2 Charisma: 5 Intuition: 3 Logic: 3 Willpower: 4 Special Attributes: 60 bp Edge: 4 Magic: 5 (4) 2 points for Magician Abilities, 2 points for Adept Powers Initiative: 6 Essence: 5 Powers: Kinesics 4 (2 power points) Knowledge Skills & Languages (18 free bp) English : Native Native American Nations (Tribes) : 2 Parazoology (North America) : 1 UCAS Politics (Seattle) : 1 Eco Radical Groups (Seattle) : 3 Active Skills : 128 bp Influence Group: 2 Counterspelling : 6 Summoning : 4 Binding : 4 Dodge (Ranged Combat) : 3 Pistols (Semi-Automatics) : 2 Perception : 2 Demolitions (Improvised) : 1 Survival : 1 Inflitration : 1 First Aid (Combat Wounds) : 1 Positive Qualities : 10 bp Mystic Adept Mentor Spirit (Preferably Moon Maiden or Rat) Negative Qualities : -30 bp SINner Criminal Spirit Bane: Fire Allergy common, mild: Pollutants Equipment, Resources and 'ware: 28 bp Bioware Muscle Toner 2 Platelet Factories Tailored Pheromones 2 Survival Knife Fichetti Security 600 Concealable Holster 3x Spare Clips 9x Stick-n-Shock (10 shots) 5 kgs Foam Explosives Urban Explorer Jumpsuit Fake Sin (Rating 4) Commlink : Renraku Sensei OS : Renraku Ichi Tag Eraser Trodes 20xStealth RFID Tags Bound Power Focus (Rating 2) Survival Kit Medkit (Rating 6) Medkit Supplies Lifestyle : 4 months Squatter Contacts : 9 bp Talislegger (L:3 C:2) Fixer (L:2 C:2)

klinktastic View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 12:38 AM Post #66
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,244 Joined: 2-August 07 Member No.: 12,442	I like that Eco Shaman Whipstitch. That's a pretty cool character concept, probably would be a good NPC in general, as either an ally, a Johnson, or a bad guy.

WhiskeyMac View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 12:45 AM Post #67
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Whipstitch View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 12:52 AM Post #68
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386	Glad you liked it Klinktastic. And yeah, in my limited experience as GM I've used NPCs similar to this a time or two as "mini-bosses" and contacts. Does the job really well because it can summon its own cannon fodder, outright win many social tests, adds monstrous spell defense and is better at hindering opponents than outright killing people.

Kyoto Kid View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 07:02 AM Post #69
Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490	...OK here she is. I ended up staying with the original metatype as it is nice to have a bit more in the physical attribute dept. The character is designed more in the style of the old American West gunslinger. In keeping with the theme her primary weapons are her Ruger Super Warhawks. She also has a shotgun and rifle as well, giving her a few more options. As she doesn't use a smartlink, she would be a great candidate for Attunement metamagic (Revolvers) when she initiates. I sacrificed one IP for Mystic Armour to make her a bit tougher (someone mentioned in another thread about the way the original Gunslinger Adept was depicted crashing through the window wearing no armour). ...so without further adieu I present Kid Shelleen (man I loved that movie especially the scene where Lee Marvin was sitting on his horse & both were drunk leaning against a building). Hope I got hte BPs figures correctly. The chargen spreadsheet I use has Blakkie's house for contacts figured in so I had to make sure to make the adjustment. [ Spoiler ] Kid Shelleen Gunslinger Adept Metatype: Ork [20bp] Standard Attributes [190 BP] Body 5 Agility 5 Reaction 5(6) Strength 5 Charisma 2 Intuition 4 Logic 3 Willpower 3 Figured Attributes Initiative 10 Stun Track 10 Physical Track 11 Special Attributes [50 BP] Magic 5 Edge 2 Positive Qualities [-15] Adept 5 Ambidextrous 5 High Pain Tolerance 5 Negative Qualities [+25] Mild Allergy to Silver 5 Addiction Whiskey 5 SINner 5 Simsense Vertigo 10 Active Skills [132 BP] Firearms Group 4 Armourer 3 (Firearms +2) Unarmed Combat 3 (you have to be able to deal with a saloon brawl) Perception 3 (visual +2) Infiltration 3 (Urban +2) Gymnastics 3 Etiquette 3 (Street +2) Pilot Ground Vehicle 1 (Bike +2) Computer 1 (commlink +2) Knowledge [21 free points] Firearm Design 3 Firearm History 2 Wild West Lore 3 Lone Star Procedures 3 Law 3 Local Bar Scene 3 Languages English N Or'Zet 4 Adept Powers Improved Reflexes I Combat Sense 2 Improved Combat Ability (Pistols) 2 Mystic Armour 2 Resources 35,000 (7 BP) [about 2200 unspent] Lifestyle: Low 2 mo. prepaid Weapons Ruger Super Warhawk (2) with Laser Sight Quick Draw Holster (2) Fichetti Security (2) with Laser Sight Hidden Arm Gun Slide (2) Remington 990 with Laser sight Ruger 100 with Laser Sight Streetline Special Shock Glove Accessories Speed Loader (4) Ammo EX Explosive rounds 60 (for Warhawks) Ex Explosive Rounds 40 (for Ruger 100) Stick & Shock Rounds 120 Shot rounds(Flechette) 40 (Remington 990) Regular Rounds (Streetline) Armour Lined coat in old duster style with Nonconductivity 4 Biker Helmet +1/+2 Gear Fake SIN 4 Fake License (Private Investigator) 4 Contact Lenses +Flare Comp +Vision Enhancement III Micro Transceiver 4 Subvocal Microphone Gunsmith Shop Respirator 6 Medikit 6 Regular clothing Stetson Cowboy (girl?) Boots Vehicle Yamaha Growler "Old Paint" Commlink Erika Elite Iris Orb OS Browse Utility 3 Edit Utility 3 Contacts [11 BP] Fixer C3/L3 Lone Star Detective C2/L3 Quote; "I smell a waterin' hole..."

JBlades View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 10:33 AM Post #70
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 263 Joined: 18-October 03 From: Cal Free State Member No.: 5,734	Hey Kid, it looks good, but you got two skills in there (Infiltration and Computer) where you didn't buy any points, just specializations. The point total is correct for buying the specializations without any skill points. I guess it's something you could do, but I've never thought about it (skill of 0 with a 2 in a particular specialization). Is that on purpose? Kind of looks like an artifact of the spreadsheet...

Ryu View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 12:53 PM Post #71
Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309	BP Distribution Race 20 Attributes 220 Skill 142 Qualities -10 Ressources 7 Connections 21 [ Spoiler ] Metatype: Orc Attributes Body 7 Agility 4 Reaction 4 (5) Strength 5 Charisma 2 Intuition 5 Logic 2 Willpower 3 Edge 4 IP 2 Qualities Guts 5 Weak Immune System -5 Criminal SINner -10 Skills Firearms 3 Athletics 1 Influence 1 Stealth 3 Close Combat 4 Ground Vehicles: Bikes 1 Intimidation: Physical 2 Perception: Visual 1 Languages Spanish M English 3 Knowledge Familiarity: Redmond 4 Sec. Procedures (Syndicates) 3 Japanese Culture (Yakuza) 2 Gang Structures (Seattle) 3 Safehouses 3 Cyberware Wired Reflexes Cybereyes Rating 2 +Smart, Flare Comp., Low Light Gear Ruger Super Warhawk AK-97 + external smartlink Battle Axe Survival Knife Ammo: Pistol 10, AR 100, Gel 50 Armored Jacket (Electric Insulation 4) Urban Camo Suit (Thermal Damping 3, Thermal Insulation 3) Renraku Sensei + Ichi Comlink Fake SIN Rating 4 Fake Drivers License Rating 4 Miracle Shooter (8 months) Low Lifestyle (1 month) Yamaha Growler Connections (Connection Rating, Loyality) Local Gangboss 3 2 StreetDoc 3 2 Fixer (Weapons) 3 1 Yakuza Johnson 4 3 Quote "The boss says you owe 20k¥" "I´m not paid to care" This version of an upstart sprawl ganger is actually ready to climb the street crime career ladder. Organised crime already thaught him to be useful, first connections provide runner work and gear. Both karma and ¥ should make the char grow quickly.

Kyoto Kid

Dec 19 2007, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE (JBlades)

Hey Kid, it looks good, but you got two skills in there (Infiltration and Computer) where you didn't buy any points, just specializations. The point total is correct for buying the specializations without any skill points.

I guess it's something you could do, but I've never thought about it (skill of 0 with a 2 in a particular specialization).

Is that on purpose? Kind of looks like an artifact of the spreadsheet...

...oopsie :oops:

...fixed now. :grinbig:

Yeah, as I mentioned I built the character in an Excel Spreadsheet character generator to make sure all the costs balanced. Had to transcribe everything over by hand.

I was still on kind of an adrenaline rush/crash when I posted the character after dealing with an overly aggressive USPS truck driver who kept harassing me by driving right behind me last night refusing back off. On several occasions he came with in inches of my back wheel and would not go around (BTW, I commute to work by bike). Man I thought they only went berserk with Assault Rifles and Semi-auto pistols, not multi tonne trucks. :eek:

...on the more up side, I really enjoyed working the character up and I may actually play her.

Sponge View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 06:16 PM Post #73
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097	Whipstitch, I don't see where you detail the 2 points of Adept powers for the Eco-Shaman?

klinktastic View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 06:39 PM Post #74
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,244 Joined: 2-August 07 Member No.: 12,442	I wanted to get a consensus on what you guys things we should do with these sample characters. I think we should start a thread in the community projects with just posts of the finished sample characters. We should keep posting them within this thread to get feedback, but then post our final products in that section. That way it will be easy to access these characters. What do you guys think?

Kyoto Kid View Member Profile	Dec 19 2007, 07:20 PM Post #75
Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490	...you have my "yes" vote.. :grinbig: ...oh, and forgot to list her Shock Glove.

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