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 Is it just me, or is stunball off the charts? |
 Jan 11 2008, 05:32 PM
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The ShadowComedian  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525  |
not planning on going there.
i do not like to fly. also: look at the form of that thing, it's even got a bulls-eye in the center . . |
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Jan 11 2008, 06:02 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Even some of us non-Americans think that shit is in bad taste. I don't see why you would need to be asked more than once to stop, after it is obvious you are being offensive.
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Jan 11 2008, 06:10 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
*sigh* This is the sort of reason why the Department of Homeland Security has Dumpshock on their favorites list. Everybody wave.
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Jan 11 2008, 07:06 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
... :wavey:
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Jan 11 2008, 07:49 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
:wavey: And a nice greeting to the Verfassungsschutz as well!
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Jan 11 2008, 07:57 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
I think y'all are overreacting to Stahl's joke. I mean, I didn't giggle or anything, but freaking come on, people. The Pentagon IS a target. It's been one since Russia was the USSR and got nukes.
Or are we forgetting that standard military doctrine held that the Pentagon and the White House were 'first strike' targets for almost 40 years, until the USSR realized that killing the people who could authorize a ceasefire was a bad plan? |
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Jan 11 2008, 08:02 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...so is a certain location just south of Downtown Seattle with three letter code BFI.
Back in the Reagan days if it looked as if the missiles were going to start flying, That was where i was going to head. Better to go out quick than deal wit the aftermath. :mushroomcloud: [edit] ...oh, forgot. [/derail] ...ok, like a civil defence fallout shelter, rather pointless at this stage of the game but it's the thought that counts, right? |
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Jan 11 2008, 08:10 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No. I am reacting to his response when asked not to comment about a touchy subject in such a manner. |
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Jan 11 2008, 08:15 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
As non-american, I still understand that the Pentagon was not only a real target, but one hit rather recently, too. And I understand that some are righteously offended at such humor, even if they could have laughed before 9/11.
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Jan 12 2008, 05:50 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
And as an American I get more offended by people who get offended by distasteful humor then the distasteful humor itself.
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Jan 12 2008, 12:38 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Yeah. Still, if you are asked to discontinue distasteful humor, you should do so. My own humor is rather black, I have no problems there ;)
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Jan 12 2008, 02:54 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
I thought it was because our entertaining and insightful banter helps pass the day. Or perhaps there are groovy gamer types at DoH who play SR after hours. Because I doubt anyone could consider a site where we have debates about whether the law would protect trolls from being charged higher apartment rents than dwarves is going to be the starting point for the dissolution of the Union. And the fact that every third thread becomes a debate on ammunition types isn't going to worry anyone. No-one's going to overthrow the US government with home firearms (a web-server maybe). But then again, if Dumpshock can be re-classified as anti-american, then I suppose it's one more bit of ammunition to justify the spending of all your (US Dumpshocker's) tax dollars. :(
Raises brown middle finger at xenophobes everywhere. :D -Khadim. |
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Jan 15 2008, 07:42 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 12-May 06 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 8,551 |
Ok, back on topic here...
The drain is not only that of a Force 4 Fireball. That fireball is only Stun damage. It's a headache. Admittedly it's a bad headache, but once the run is over our Mage can go home, go to bed and get a good nights sleep and he'll be fine the next day. The stunball however is Physical damage. It's internal bleeding and heart attacks and brain aneurysms and twisted intestines and strangled testicles and body parts dieing because of the sheer quantity of magical energy that's coursing through the magician's body. That's days of rest to recover at the very minimum, and by rest we mean doing absolutely nothing from waking up in the morning till going to bed at night. This is a case of the players looking at mechanics and not bothering to take into account the actual "real world" (it's real to the character at any rate) repercussions. So, Mr Stunball picks up X points of Physical damage from those Force 12 Stunballs he flung off. Well, his fingers might be bleeding for no apparent reason, which is going to make it rather difficult for him to hold only thing, blood is a rather slippery substance. He might have burst his eardrums and his ears are then bleeding, which makes hearing anything until he's healed rather difficult. How about bleeding eyeballs? That should make it difficult to see anything until it's fixed, won't it? If making them bleed isn't your thing, how about other body injuries. We're dealing with Magic here, so there only needs to be a tenuous connection between the injury and the effect. The arm he was casting with decides to break. No idea why. He develops paralysis from the waist down (which incidentally would cause his bowels and bladder to void about now). His stomach might rupture, spilling stomach acid into parts of his body that really shouldn't have contact with them, meaning that he's going to be in a hell of a lot of pain and probably very distracted. The list goes on (and I'm sure you are evil enough to come up with a good possible list). Of course, this is all caused by magic, so after the requisite time in bed (as per the healing rules on page 242) he'll be fine, but there's the scars to consider. That broken arm? Screwed up the muscles a bit on that side, so there's physio for the next month or so. The ruptured stomach means he won't be able to eat spicy food again for a little while until it's finished growing back the lining properly. His pretty face has a ugly red line running across it that will require plastic surgery to remove. The broken leg is a bit shorter than the other one now, so his pants no longer fit correctly, and he needs special boots to be able to walk straight. Things like that. With all this the character (and I mean character, not player) is going to be a little bit cautious in throwing those overpowered spells around so willy-nilly. That hurt, and the memory of what went down would probably require a Willpower check to be able to do it, with the Threshold increasing every time from the remembered pain. Perhaps a couple of Force 6 spells would work better? The players are beating you with mechanics. Don't try and fight back with mechanics, otherwise it becomes a one-upsmanship game, and no one wins that. Beat them with consequences. The over-cast should only be a last resort, it should never be first choice, so make sure the players understand why my showing their characters the results. Enjoy Random |
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Jan 15 2008, 07:56 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
First Aid works just fine to fix or minimize Drain damage.
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Jan 15 2008, 08:07 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
HalloranElder, the things that you mentioned sounds like the types of things I'd expect from a glitch unless you also apply such things to mundane physical damage.
Personally I think that the IC trouble that is going to be caused by throwing around magical tac-nukes coupled with making magic in general a bit more hindered by smart security is more then enough to curb abuse. |
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Jan 15 2008, 09:10 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
@HalloranElder: I like where you're coming from and I try to do the same, bringing in more description for Physical drain. Due to the nature of the SR4 rules, though, I keep it abstract enough to leave me descriptive wiggle-room. However, this does remind me of the Severe Wounds rules in Augmentation. I haven't seen one result from spell drain (or anything) yet, but the potential is there and it could be a lot of fun. The glitches are unlikely, but 7 boxes of damage could happen. Perfect opportunity for the more disgusting and disturbing consequences of magic. ;) -K. |
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Jan 17 2008, 07:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Iowa, United States Member No.: 9,720 |
Anyone do a test to see if the mage gets knocked off his feet from drain? That would be fun to do, knock himself prone maybe one or 2 more stun damage as he hits the floor. :D
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