[X] My Assistant

[Kagetenshi]

Don't suppose you can carry two pistols, can you? Then you can stash something bigger in your bag and unless the assailant grabs it and rifles through it on the spot you're just down to a smaller firearm.

~J, unaware of what possible legal or practical barriers might exist and too sick to do his own research today

[Snow_Fox]

It's not that, but for a purse grabbed, the bag is the first things they go for, I don't want to let him take one gun then have to grab the other and suddenly I'm in a shootout?

[Mercer]

[Kagetenshi]

[Fortune]

Well, seeing as the bag would be heavier with the inclusion of the gun, the mugger could grab her bag and the hit her over the head with it. ;) :D

[nezumi]

I have to admit, discussions like this make me think that maybe men really aren't cut out to carry guns, and we should just let the ladies worry about it. Cool it, guys. And read entire posts before you comment.

Back to the topic... No, Shadowrun with its d6 really isn't precise enough for a lot of the gun details we'd like. I think if you were to use a multiple d10 or d20 system (same as Shadowrun, except bigger dice) you could probably do it gracefully, although it would be a LOOOONG list of modifiers. I also rather suspect WR wouldn't mind if his system were a little wacky...

[kzt]

This is the kind of thing that non-linear distributions do better, where you get a normal curve. Like multiple D6 added together, as with Gurps/Hero, etc. You are shifting the curve with modifiers, with means the effect of a single +1/-1 is normally trivial, but as they add up things get interesting. And you can go low odds shots, like events that happen 3%, like on roll of 17 or greater on 3d6.

But that's neither here nor there...

[Kagetenshi]

You could do it with d6s, probably pretty easily. You'd have to do a lot of rerolling, of course, but you can get a very gradual and smooth progression (the most exaggerated but simple example is reroll-2-through-6, add 1—you can get a finer progression through slightly more complicated methods).

Edit: I respect GURPS, but from what I know of the rules it does not handle unlikely but possible events well—or does it have a mechanism to get more uncommon than three-1s or 3-6s? Shadowrun doesn't handle extremely likely events well some of the time, especially when it's supposed to only be extremely likely for some people but not others, but I've yet to see a significantly different system top it in terms of the ability to express extremely unlikely events.

~J

[ShadowDragon8685]

Snow Fox, not to sound too wierd, but what are the potential drawbacks for wearing a tux/other heavier wear yourself, versus the benefits of being able to conceal an effective weapon you're comfortable with?

[kzt]

I own gurps, and a bunch of gurps sourcebooks (back when they did sourcebooks...) but I've played gurps only a bit. Mostly Hero. Which has it's own special issues with damage, but otherwise is a pretty nice system.

The 1/216 chance covers unlikely events in games pretty well. It's a lot better than they way SR does, where the lowest chance you can give someone is 1/3, unless you provide multiple dice for them to roll, at which point things get complex statistically (and it implies they are also getting more skilled). I mean, if you have 18 dice what is the success probability change between needing 4 successes and 5 successes? If I give you +4 or -4 dice, how does that change it? How can I easily figure it out in a game?

And it also means that someone with minimal skill can never achieve anything that requires more success than he has dice and has a vanishingly small chance if dice=success when success >3

SR perception is where this clearly shows up. Whoever wrote this didn't think about what this means. An average person walking down the street, not paying attention, has 11% chance of rolling the two success needed to notice the swat team walking into the building in front of him. They have zero chance of noticing the burning skyscraper 4 blocks away.

[Mercer]

[ShadowDragon8685]

[kzt]

I've seen pictures of the wacky thigh holsters. No idea how they work.

Like this http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterT3.asp?Produ...8&CatalogID=374

[ShadowDragon8685]

From the looks of it, it looks like it works very well to guide your finger inside the trigger guard on the draw and to direct the barrel into your thigh for that wonderful blow-your-knee-outwards-shot...

[Kagetenshi]

[kzt]

At 0.012% I'd just say you fail. Or you can force another roll after you roll a 3. But I tend to prefer to allow PCs to pull of low odds things occasionally, as long as they didn't do something dumb to get them to where they needed that.

[Kagetenshi]

And lo and behold, at 0.012% (0.00012), a one-in-ten-thousand event is in fact one-in-ten-thousand. Or, for the reasonably highly skilled (Skill 6), 0.072% (0.00072), or slightly under one-in-a-thousand.

Rare events are rare, instead of impossible, and no special measures are required. Pretty successful, I'd say.

~J

[martindv]

[Kagetenshi]

If you die on the internet, you die in real life.

~J

[martindv]

I wish that was true some times.

[ShadowDragon8685]

[Daddy's Litt...]

[martindv]

[nezumi]

It's a shame we're not LARPers or we could just all agree to pretend to be stabbed as appropriate.

[Kagetenshi]

Would you settle for UDP/IP, or TCP/IP/CP?

~J