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Dec 31 2007, 07:19 PM

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X-Kalibur View Member Profile	Jan 1 2008, 12:13 AM Post #52
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626	Snowfox, I've fired a S&W .38 before and I have to agree with you, they kick like all hell and accuracy after about 30 ft goes straight to hell. Of course, you are using it as a personal defense weapon so 30 ft is actually rather decent. My wrists were actually sore for a couple days after firing one at a range, I'll stick to a semi-automatic .40 or .45 any day... although with the right rounds packed in it, I bet you could conceal a Walther PPK quite nicely, and they make them in a .380

Snow_Fox View Member Profile	Jan 1 2008, 04:07 PM Post #53
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221	it's the short barrel combined with the larger round that blows out the accuracy. My .357 S&W with a normal barrel is just fine. The lighter metals make it what really kicks so painfully. I'm surprised no one here has really commented on the placement of the lazer sight on the side. DLN you are just soo lucky my God-daughter loves you!

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Jan 1 2008, 07:16 PM

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it's the short barrel combined with the larger round that blows out the accuracy. My .357 S&W with a normal barrel is just fine. The lighter metals make it what really kicks so painfully.

Is it really the recoil, or is it anticipation of the recoil? Have you tried randomly mixing in some dummy rounds and seeing what happens?

hyzmarca

Jan 1 2008, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Dec 30 2007, 12:04 PM)

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Personally, I think confronting the guy at all would be moronic. Stay calm and call the police. If he engages you, defend yourself. If you're a kung-fu master, use that, if you're not use the gun or the car, whatever. If someone else is attacked and you think you should intervene, by all means, let your conscience be your guide. But if there's a maniac raving in the street, it seems like the last thing you want to do is engage and escalate the situation, particularly with deadly force. (Unless you're Batman, in which case, go for it.)

Are you stupid? The whole point of Batman is that he does absolutely everything in his power to avoid lethal force. And as far as guns go, he'd rather die than use one. Read his origins, noob.

Batman doesn't uses guns or lethal force due to concessions made during the time that controversy over violent crime comics was ramping up. Classic Golden Age Batman makes The Punisher look soft on crime by comparison.

Golden Age Robin feeds ammo into Batman's machine gun.
As you can clearly see, the real Batman wants us to keep the bullets flying.

Snow_Fox

Jan 2 2008, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jan 1 2008, 09:07 AM)

it's the short barrel combined with the larger round that blows out the accuracy. My .357 S&W with a normal barrel is just fine. The lighter metals make it what really kicks so painfully.

Is it really the recoil, or is it anticipation of the recoil? Have you tried randomly mixing in some dummy rounds and seeing what happens?

It's the real recoil of the gun. This isn't a case of a newbie picking up a fire arm and 'oh my." Sure the first time I pulled the trigger on a pistol I was tense expecting something horrible to happen, but now, I've been shooting for years and am well use to the recoil of a hand gun. This was different and even if it was the antici.......pation, my hand wouldn't be hurting the next day.

DTFarstar View Member Profile	Jan 2 2008, 02:03 AM Post #58
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 18-September 06 Member No.: 9,421	I know this isn't precisely on topic, but are there any particularly good fun sites or forums I could be directed to. Mostly interested in handguns of the concealable and self-protection variety although SR has stirred up my interest in everything involved with guns. A friend of mine is going to get a CCL and a gun soon because of some things happening near campus and I want to help him out and I will probably be moving to a much larger city in a year and a half and plan on doing the same myself sometime before I get there. I'm a huge guy and decently trained as far as HtH goes, but when it comes down to it bullet beats fist. Chris

CircuitBoyBlue

Jan 2 2008, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Dec 30 2007, 12:04 PM)

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Personally, I think confronting the guy at all would be moronic. Stay calm and call the police. If he engages you, defend yourself. If you're a kung-fu master, use that, if you're not use the gun or the car, whatever. If someone else is attacked and you think you should intervene, by all means, let your conscience be your guide. But if there's a maniac raving in the street, it seems like the last thing you want to do is engage and escalate the situation, particularly with deadly force. (Unless you're Batman, in which case, go for it.)

Are you stupid? The whole point of Batman is that he does absolutely everything in his power to avoid lethal force. And as far as guns go, he'd rather die than use one. Read his origins, noob.

Batman doesn't uses guns or lethal force due to concessions made during the time that controversy over violent crime comics was ramping up. Classic Golden Age Batman makes The Punisher look soft on crime by comparison.

Golden Age Robin feeds ammo into Batman's machine gun.
As you can clearly see, the real Batman wants us to keep the bullets flying.

No, the Batman that keeps a cave full of rainbow colored batsuits and appears in Christmas pageants with the police wants to keep the bullets flying. The real batman, who skulks around in the dark being moody and kicking your ass without a gun because he's all man, didn't come around until much later. The Golden Age is for reactionaries and 5 year olds.

Fortune

Jan 2 2008, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE (DTFarstar @ Jan 2 2008, 12:03 PM)

I know this isn't precisely on topic, but are there any particularly good fun sites or forums I could be directed to. Mostly interested in handguns of the concealable and self-protection variety ...

Nice typo! :D

Lindt

Jan 2 2008, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jan 1 2008, 09:24 PM)

QUOTE (kzt @ Jan 1 2008, 02:16 PM)

QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jan 1 2008, 09:07 AM)

it's the short barrel combined with the larger round that blows out the accuracy. My .357 S&W with a normal barrel is just fine. The lighter metals make it what really kicks so painfully.

Is it really the recoil, or is it anticipation of the recoil? Have you tried randomly mixing in some dummy rounds and seeing what happens?

It's the real recoil of the gun. This isn't a case of a newbie picking up a fire arm and 'oh my." Sure the first time I pulled the trigger on a pistol I was tense expecting something horrible to happen, but now, I've been shooting for years and am well use to the recoil of a hand gun. This was different and even if it was the antici.......pation, my hand wouldn't be hurting the next day.

I have seen the combination of both first hand. I brought a petite female friend of mine to the 'local' range, and she decided to start with a little 38 special, and it was just kicking her ass for the reasons you mentioned. It just had no weight.
The range master eventually switched her to a 9mm of some sort, and to her it was more manageable.

hyzmarca

Jan 2 2008, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Jan 1 2008, 09:28 PM)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 1 2008, 06:58 PM)

QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Dec 30 2007, 12:04 PM)

QUOTE

Personally, I think confronting the guy at all would be moronic. Stay calm and call the police. If he engages you, defend yourself. If you're a kung-fu master, use that, if you're not use the gun or the car, whatever. If someone else is attacked and you think you should intervene, by all means, let your conscience be your guide. But if there's a maniac raving in the street, it seems like the last thing you want to do is engage and escalate the situation, particularly with deadly force. (Unless you're Batman, in which case, go for it.)

Are you stupid? The whole point of Batman is that he does absolutely everything in his power to avoid lethal force. And as far as guns go, he'd rather die than use one. Read his origins, noob.

Batman doesn't uses guns or lethal force due to concessions made during the time that controversy over violent crime comics was ramping up. Classic Golden Age Batman makes The Punisher look soft on crime by comparison.

Golden Age Robin feeds ammo into Batman's machine gun.
As you can clearly see, the real Batman wants us to keep the bullets flying.

No, the Batman that keeps a cave full of rainbow colored batsuits and appears in Christmas pageants with the police wants to keep the bullets flying. The real batman, who skulks around in the dark being moody and kicking your ass without a gun because he's all man, didn't come around until much later. The Golden Age is for reactionaries and 5 year olds.

You're confusing the Silver Age with the Golden Age. The upbeat postwar Silver Age was full of camp. The Golden Age, taking place smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression, two World Wars, the Spanish Flu, the Dust Bowl, Lynchings and Melvin Pervis's FBI, was substantially darker than the modern age.

Heroes of the time killed criminals regularly, without hesitation or remorse. They acted like the cops and the G-Men of the time. The morality was black and white. If you attempt to murder an innocent person or a cop or a superhero then you deserve to die. The Batman of the time understood that slapping a mass murderer like The Joker on the knuckles with a ruler and making him promise never to kill hundreds of people for fun again just isn't going to cut it. And he understood that people have the right to defend themselves from attempted murder.

The original Batman sulked more and was more moody than the modern Batman. He also tended to break people's necks and throw them off rooftops.

The squeaky-clean no-kill Batman of the modern era is an idiot, as demonstrated simply by the hundreds of murders committed by The Joker on his watch. His dislike of guns boils down to the belief that everyone should spend the vast majority of their lives training to be ninjas in hidden Japanese monasteries and those that don't simply don't have the right to defend themselves. He's a liberal billionaire playboy who advocates liberal billionaire justice, leaving the poor with no alternative but to die.

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Jan 2 2008, 04:09 AM

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His dislike of guns boils down to the belief that everyone should spend the vast majority of their lives training to be ninjas in hidden Japanese monasteries and those that don't simply don't have the right to defend themselves.

It's not a belief that you can reasonably disagree with, I'd say.

~J

Mercer

Jan 2 2008, 10:07 AM

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His dislike of guns boils down to the belief that everyone should spend the vast majority of their lives training to be ninjas in hidden Japanese monasteries and those that don't simply don't have the right to defend themselves.

I always liked his speech from the Dark Knight Returns, about how guns make killing people too easy, that we spare ourselves the work.

Although for my money, I've always preferred Rorschach. (Who's playing him in the new Watchman movie, btw?)

nezumi

Jan 2 2008, 04:25 PM

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I know this isn't precisely on topic, but are there any particularly good fun sites or forums I could be directed to. Mostly interested in handguns of the concealable and self-protection variety although SR has stirred up my interest in everything involved with guns. A friend of mine is going to get a CCL and a gun soon because of some things happening near campus and I want to help him out and I will probably be moving to a much larger city in a year and a half and plan on doing the same myself sometime before I get there. I'm a huge guy and decently trained as far as HtH goes, but when it comes down to it bullet beats fist.

Chris

The best best best place it you genuinely want to learn and are willing to dedicate the time is www.thehighroad.org . It's a forum dedicated for gun enthusiasts. Some of the guys really, really know their stuff, a lot of people there are like me ('the side of the gun with the hole in it you point at the bad guy. Don't put the bullets down the hole! You need to do something more complex to load the gun...') (Hmm... Just got an image of me holding the breech at the bad guy with a bullet sticking out of the muzzle. No matter, you get the idea.)

Sign up so you can use the search features. Then just read, search and comment on threads when you have a question. It'll take some time, but you'll come away knowing way more than you'd learn from any single site, and a lot more practical knowledge as well.

Critias

Jan 2 2008, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE (DTFarstar)

I know this isn't precisely on topic, but are there any particularly good fun sites or forums I could be directed to. Mostly interested in handguns of the concealable and self-protection variety although SR has stirred up my interest in everything involved with guns. A friend of mine is going to get a CCL and a gun soon because of some things happening near campus and I want to help him out and I will probably be moving to a much larger city in a year and a half and plan on doing the same myself sometime before I get there. I'm a huge guy and decently trained as far as HtH goes, but when it comes down to it bullet beats fist.

Chris

I'd suggest Glocktalk.com, if you've got the time to devote to it. The place is positively huge, so wading through everything is an exercise in futility -- you've got to pick two or three sub-forums to keep up with (there are forums there for almost anything you can think of, gun related or otherwise), but all in the all the signal-to-noise ratio is pretty solid if you take the time to read what's there. You can learn a lot, about..well...almost anything.

Snow_Fox

Jan 3 2008, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE (DTFarstar)

I know this isn't precisely on topic, but are there any particularly good fun sites or forums I could be directed to. Mostly interested in handguns of the concealable and self-protection variety although SR has stirred up my interest in everything involved with guns. A friend of mine is going to get a CCL and a gun soon because of some things happening near campus and I want to help him out and I will probably be moving to a much larger city in a year and a half and plan on doing the same myself sometime before I get there. I'm a huge guy and decently trained as far as HtH goes, but when it comes down to it bullet beats fist.

Chris

http://thefiringline.com/forums/

A really good site, their forums are devided into laws, general and particular classes of guns- revolvers, semi auto etc.

Most states declare that CC permits do not allow you to carry on college campus or school grounds.

DTFarstar View Member Profile	Jan 3 2008, 07:20 AM Post #68
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 18-September 06 Member No.: 9,421	And here I thought my request was lost in all the Batman stuff. 3 answers here and a PM from someone all right after the other. So, now I'm a member of getoffthex.com, thefiringling.com, glocktalk.com, and thehighroad.org forums. I'm never going to get anything done anymore, but oh well. Thanks everyone, for the good answers. I hope to see you around here and there. Chris

Snow_Fox View Member Profile	Jan 26 2008, 04:24 AM Post #69
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221	I've practiced a bit more with it since I started the post. it still kicks like a son of a bitch but I've worked on improving accuracy. surprised hell out of the ugys at the range with good shooting at 30 feet. and that brings this back to the topic. When I tried using the hard sights on the gun, like I'd do with my other guns, it aims high, probably what the range guys were thinking. If I try to combine the hard sights with the laser, forget it, worst shooting I've ever done, BUT if I use just the laser accuracy goes way up., including shootnig from the hip. Which shows how trying to combine different aiming systems doesn't work. trust me, I use the hard sights and laser and it is completely f'ed up! I'm still surprised by the laser on the side. I mean in SR such aims must be under or over barrell. the laser on my .38 add another 'slot' to the options.

Daddy's Litt... Daddy's Little Ninja View Member Profile	Jan 28 2008, 03:36 PM Post #70
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Jan 28 2008, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja)

And this is my daughter's godmother. Interesting role model.

Well, there is Paxton Quigley.

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Jan 28 2008, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Jan 1 2008, 09:28 PM)

QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jan 1 2008, 06:58 PM)

QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Dec 30 2007, 12:04 PM)

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Personally, I think confronting the guy at all would be moronic. Stay calm and call the police. If he engages you, defend yourself. If you're a kung-fu master, use that, if you're not use the gun or the car, whatever. If someone else is attacked and you think you should intervene, by all means, let your conscience be your guide. But if there's a maniac raving in the street, it seems like the last thing you want to do is engage and escalate the situation, particularly with deadly force. (Unless you're Batman, in which case, go for it.)

Are you stupid? The whole point of Batman is that he does absolutely everything in his power to avoid lethal force. And as far as guns go, he'd rather die than use one. Read his origins, noob.

Batman doesn't uses guns or lethal force due to concessions made during the time that controversy over violent crime comics was ramping up. Classic Golden Age Batman makes The Punisher look soft on crime by comparison.

Golden Age Robin feeds ammo into Batman's machine gun.
As you can clearly see, the real Batman wants us to keep the bullets flying.

No, the Batman that keeps a cave full of rainbow colored batsuits and appears in Christmas pageants with the police wants to keep the bullets flying. The real batman, who skulks around in the dark being moody and kicking your ass without a gun because he's all man, didn't come around until much later. The Golden Age is for reactionaries and 5 year olds.

You're confusing the Silver Age with the Golden Age. The upbeat postwar Silver Age was full of camp. The Golden Age, taking place smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression, two World Wars, the Spanish Flu, the Dust Bowl, Lynchings and Melvin Pervis's FBI, was substantially darker than the modern age.

Heroes of the time killed criminals regularly, without hesitation or remorse. They acted like the cops and the G-Men of the time. The morality was black and white. If you attempt to murder an innocent person or a cop or a superhero then you deserve to die. The Batman of the time understood that slapping a mass murderer like The Joker on the knuckles with a ruler and making him promise never to kill hundreds of people for fun again just isn't going to cut it. And he understood that people have the right to defend themselves from attempted murder.

The original Batman sulked more and was more moody than the modern Batman. He also tended to break people's necks and throw them off rooftops.

The squeaky-clean no-kill Batman of the modern era is an idiot, as demonstrated simply by the hundreds of murders committed by The Joker on his watch. His dislike of guns boils down to the belief that everyone should spend the vast majority of their lives training to be ninjas in hidden Japanese monasteries and those that don't simply don't have the right to defend themselves. He's a liberal billionaire playboy who advocates liberal billionaire justice, leaving the poor with no alternative but to die.

Hyzmarcowned! Especially following the "noob" comment.

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Jan 28 2008, 11:12 PM

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I'm still frustrated with formal wear. Men can carry a gun in a tux. I wear the little black cocktail dress and there, biggest thing I can hid on it is a small lock blade.

OK, I thought of it. For formal occasions go totally overboard with a French courtier's ginormous skirt with wireframe from the 1700s, and stash an AT4 under it. :rotfl:

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Jan 29 2008, 09:01 AM

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And this is my daughter's godmother. Interesting role model.

Yeah, no kiddin'. When I have kids, I want to make sure each and every one of them understands the cops are for protecting them, and they'll never have to even think about doing so themselves.

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