Recruitment: Vengeance of the Heavens, Looking to start a new game Options

[Karaden]

Oh, I was going by

[Karaden]

I guess I'll go ahead and follow your lead and post what I have for evaluation. Give me a few... hours to type it all up. (They joys and pains of working out my character on paper)

[Cthulhudreams]

[Karaden]

[ Spoiler ]

Hads - Heavy Assult and Demolitions Specilist.
Atribute: rating(modified) BP_spent Karma_spent
Bod: 6(6) 40 18
Agi: 7(10) 50 21
Rea: 5(9) 30 15
Str: 4(4) 0 27
Cha: 3(3) 0 15
Int: 6(6) 40 18
Log: 6(6) 40 18
Wil: 3(3) 0 15
Ini: 11(15) 3 passes
Edg: 7(7) 40 21
BP: 240 Karma: 168

Skill(specilty): rating(specilty_rating) BP_spent Karma_spent Bonuses
Note: fractional BPs are from stuff that was originally bought as a skill group.
Note2: I added in the Learning Stimuli bonus on karma expenditures.
Heavy_Weapons(Rocket_Launcer): 7(9) 34 0 +1 from reflex recorder
Climbing(Buildings): 3(5) 2.5 6
Gymnastics(Jumping): 3(5) 2.5 6
Running(Sprinting): 3(5) 2.5 6
Swimming(Long_Distance): 2(4) 2.5 3
Dodge(Ranged): 5(7) 6 16 +2 from move by wire, +1 from reflex recorder
Demolitions(Plastic_Explosives): 6(8) 6 25
First_Aid(Combat_Wounds): 3(5) 3.3 6
Medicine(Implant_Surgery): 3(5) 3.3 6
Cybertechnology(Nanoware): 3(5) 3.3 6
Automatics(Assault_Rifles): 3(5) 3.3 6
Longarms(Sniper_Rifle): 3(5) 3.3 6
Pistols(Semi-Automatics): 3(5) 3.3 6
Survival(Urban): 2(4) 6 1
Throwing(Lobbed): 4(6) 6 9 +1 from reflex recorder
Infiltration(Urban): 3(5) 6 4
Gunnery(Ballistic): 2(4) 0 7
Perception(Audio): 2(4) 0 7 +1 from Synch
BP: 94 Karma: 132

Qualities:
Aptitude(Heavy Weapons) 10
Genetic Heritage(Free Genetic Optimization) 10
Biocompatibility(Cyberware) 10
Gene Crafted 5
Pyromania, Moderate -15
Weak Immune System -5

Equipment:
Bioware:
Reflex Recorders (Heavy Weapons, Dodge, Throwing)
Muscle Toner 3
Platelet Factories

Cyberware:
Move-by-Wire 2
Datajack
Cyberfoot, obvious (Nanohive 2)
Dermal Sheath 3 (Wet Sheath, Ruthenium Polymer Coating)
Cybereyes 2 (Eye Recording Unit, Image Link, Flare Compensation, Smartlink, Thermographic Vision, Vision Magnification)
Cyberears 2 (Ear Recording Unit, Sound Link, Audio Enhancement 1, Select Sound Filter 6, Damper)

Geneware:
Adapsin
Genetic Optimization (agility)
Reakt
Synch

Nanoware:
Learning Stimuli 3
Oxyrush 5

Armor and Stuff:
Armor Jacket
Full Body Armor (Helmet, Chemical Seal, Environmental Adaptation (heat), Chemical Protection 6, Fire Resistance 6, Insulation 6, Non-conductivity 6, Thermal Damping)
Sony Emperor R:2 S:3
Iris Orb F:3 S:3
Trodes
Medkit 6
Microtransceiver 6
Gecko Tape Gloves

Weapons:
Ares Predator IV (Concealable Holster, Gas Vent 2)
Ares Alpha (Gas Vent 3, Shock Pad)
Ingram White Knight (Shock Pad, Smart Gun, External)
Ultimax HMG-2 (Smartgun, External)
Assault Cannon (Silencer)
Armtech MGL-12 (Airburst Link, Shock Pad)
Mitsubishi Yukuroku MRL (Airburst Link, Shock Pad)
Ranger Arms SM-4 (Smartgun, External)

More to come. Need some fake SINs and and ammo, but right now I'm going to bed, see you all in the morning.

[Buddha72]

Ok sorry for the delay in posting, have some friends in from Canada so not much time to check the boards but they are only here till Monday so should be looking in more regularly.

So I have been getting PMs so no worry and I will try to reply to them this coming Monday afternoon after my house guests leave. The day of the deadline I will be posting a list of completed characters that have been submitted in the morning. Please keep this in mind - I think it's great people are posting characters here so everyone can collaborate but I still require a copy sent to me please.

Allergies/Incompetences: If it's on the sheet it will come up so be careful what you pick, you have been warned. No free points for cheesy flaws that aren't which is why I encourage ones that fit the character concept/back story.

It does help to show the reduced stat such as Magic or Resonance so please make a note somewhere of what loss you incurred and the increase so I can check over sheets. Thanks!

As always ask questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

[Toras]

[ Spoiler ]

Name: Whiskey
Race: Human
Attributes
Body 5(6) [40pt]
Agility 4(9) [30pt]
Reflexes 5 (8 ) [40pt]
Strength 3(8 ) [20pt]
Intuition 3 [20pt]
Logic 3 [20pt]
Charisma 3 [10pt + 9 karma]
Willpower 3 [20pt]

Essence 4
Edge 7 [75 karma]
Magic 8 (6) [40pt + 63 karma]
Initiative Grade 4 [42 karma]

Qualities (10pts)
Adept(5pt)
Type 0 Systems (30pts)
Sensitive System (+15pt)
Spirit Bane [Nature Spirit] (+10pt)

Skills (120pt)
Athletics Skill Group 4 [40pts]
Armory 2 [8 Karma]
Blades 4 [16pt]
Dodge 4 [16pt]
Ettiquette 2 [8 karma]
First Aid 1 [4 Karma]
Infiltration 4 (7) [22 Karma]
Intimidation 4 [22 Karma]
Perception 5 [4pt + 28 karma]
Pilot Ground Craft 2 [8 Karma]
Pistols 6 (9) [24pt]

Knowledge Skills (18 free)
Action Film 2
Law Enforcement Procedures 4
Yakuza 4

Language Skills
Chinese N
English 4
Japanese 4

Powers
Analytics 2 [.5pp]
Combat Senses 6 [3pp]
Improved Attribute 3 [Pistol] (1.5pp)
Improved Attribute [Infiltration] (.75pp)
Nimble Fingers (.25pp)

Equipment [30pts + 200k]
Armored Jacket [8/6] (900)
-Fire Resistance 3 (300)
-Nonconductive 3 (600)
-Thermal Dampening 4 (2000)
Ares Predator IV [5p, Ap -1, 15cc] (350)
-Hidden Arm Slide (350)
-Silencer (200)
-Smartlink
Commlink [Tranys Avalon, Response 4, Signal 4] (5,000)
-Novatech Navi (1,500)
-AR Gloves (250)
-Nanopaste Trodes (100)
-Sim Module (100)
-Subvocal Mike (50)
Fake SIN 5 (5000)
2xForearm Snapblades [6p] (150)
2xClips of [APDS, -4 Ballistic] (200)
Glasses
-Flare Compensation
-Image Links
-Smart Link
-Thermographic
-Vision Enhancement 3
-Vision Magnification
Grappling Gun
Medkit 6
Suzuki Mirage (6500)
Middle Life Style (16,500 3 months)

Bioware [304,000]
Enhanced Articulation [.15, 40000]
Muscule Augmentation 4 [.4, 28,000]
Muscule Toner 4 [.4, 36,000]
Platelete Factory [.1, 25000]
Reflex Recorder[Firearms] [.1, 10,000]
Superthriod Gland [.35, 45,000]
Synaptic Booster 2 [.5, 160000]

Initiative Powers
-Adept Centering
-Attunement (Item) [Pistol - 8 Karma]
-Infusion
-Somatic Control

Contacts
Fixer - Alex [Influence 3, Loyality 3]

Background: Whiskey used to be one of those self diluted investigators, working for Mitsuhama. He was good at what he did, a little too good in fact. It was in the last days of Mitsuhama's hold on security. He was working on the Yakuza Squad, working to pin back the influence of those criminal organization. He really believed that he was doing the right thing and went home to his wife and child each night a happy man.

It all changed one night, as he was sitting down for dinner. His house was stormed by thugs, and while he managed to kill a number of them he was still shot down. As he lay bleeding they ended his world in front of his eyes. Ares had made a deal with the Yak's, giving them the names they needed in return for them causing enough trouble to get them the Security contract.

A neighbor who had been a combat vet managed to save him and got him treatment. He came to later to find that he was out of a job. Abandoned by everyone, his neighbor took him in. He was the introduction to Black Star. Whiskey would begin again, not for hope but rather for revenge. The wounds he had suffered were enough to cause damage to his gift, so they added augmentations as they had rebuilt him. There was a time that would have bothered him, as an awakened being. But he was beyond caring, it was all just tool to the end. Unfortunately this same adaptation for bioware causes him to reject and attack anything non-organic.

During the last two years, he has risen within the ranks of the Black Star as much as they have them. He had found others who hated as he did and believed that things needed to change. They still did runs, to maintain operating funds if nothing else. But it did appeal to most of the anarchists to have the corporate scum fund their own downfall. Initiating with their help, he traveled to gain the power he needed sometimes within himself and sometimes without. His final task had required that he find and return with a rock from a hidden glade 20 miles outside of Shanghi. However he did not show the proper respect to the spirit of the glade, so it has marked him as an enemy. Now should he ever encounter such spirits, they will mean him ill.

[Redjack]

[Karaden]

Redjack is quite right. If you have magic 4, but buy an essence worth of ware, then your magic changes to 4(3). It'll still cost you the same amount to raise it, regardless of the ware. So it costs the same to go from 4 to 5 as it does to go from 4(3) to 5(4).

As Redjack said, this is in the exact same vein as someone who has muscle toner or some such, giving them 4(5) agi. It costs the same to go from 4 to 5 as it costs to go from 4(5) to 5(6).

[Toras]

[Cthulhudreams]

[Karaden]

Understandable. I'll double check on that, but I'm fairly certain that is how it works, see if I can't get an exact page/pages about that.

[Cthulhudreams]

Yeah, I just thought it worked like a racial change for an attribute, because say I'm advancing a dwarfs strength of 6 (so 3 + 3 racial) I have to pay the karma for an attribute of 7 right?

[Karaden]

Well, I can't find anything that says it spesificly. Best I can get is

[Redjack]

[Karaden]

[Cthulhudreams]

Edit: I agree with you guys re: racial attributes, and brought an increase in body on the basis that my nat body of 1, modified to 2 from being a dwarf had to be paid for at 3.

Onto the real discussion.

[Whipstitch]

From a balance perspective I've always preferred the modified interpretation, although I don't think it's really supported by the RAW. It's less metagamey. I tend to favor SECKSY and Frank's BP=Karma system at this point in time, simply because it makes gambling that you can survive long enough to get the 6 karma needed to boost up your strength to 2 before you get shot because you couldn't struggly your way up a chain link fence a less attractive option since you're not "saving" any points in the long term.

[Buddha72]

Since I've made it pretty clear my dislike of the cheese factor I 'm going with the virtual stat. So I am going with the point cost being the score before the essence loss. I agree with the analogy of above about a character being played at a tabletop game would never even make the team, the other players would toss you out the door for bringing a Magic 1 mage to the table in the first place. With these being artificially advanced characters I think that option A is the way I am going to rule it.

As for a different system of character generation I would rather stick with the original from the base system and just use a little common sense to address issues like this as they pop up. Hope that works for everyone.

[Whipstitch]

No problem. The original bp system works fine anyway, it only occasionally runs into these kind of issues when dealing with straight jumps to mass amounts of power like what we have here; like you said, I think people were just getting a bit crazy because they knew they could skip the "awkward phase" you go through when only having a one or two in an attribute.

[Cthulhudreams]

The funny thing is it works fine if you write 'latent awakening' on your character sheet and become an adept instead of a mage.

In other news my character now needs a significant re-write and probably re-templating because this increases my cost of advancing magic by 53 karma (urgh) and thats not sustainable as currently written.

[Whipstitch]

True, but taking latent awakening is basically putting aside 5 bps and hoping that your GM will eventually let you Awaken once in play. It's balanced by the fact that you don't know when or if it will ever pay off and even if it does happen you likely won't have the karma on hand to start developing the skills right away, which is why latents usually end up as adepts if they're given any choice in the matter. The GM is the one who picks whatever it is you actually end up as.

[Cthulhudreams]

Yeah, it seems completely unplayable in a normal game because you wouldn't have skills either, but in a 300 karma game, reasonable that you awoke at some point in the preceeding 300 karma ;)

Still, debate for another time.

[Karaden]

[Nikoli]

Bhudda, is there still room?

I've a mind for a combat character, former swat type based on the concepts of the "furute soldier" program of the DoD.

[Karaden]

He hasn't made any decisions on the final group yet, so I think your still welcome to submit a character, so long as you can get it in to him before the 14th.