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 The [fictional] Shadowland's most loved and hated, Favorite Shadowland posters in SR books |
 Jan 12 2008, 02:47 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 28-January 05 Member No.: 7,028  |
Rabid from PAOE has to be my fave! Especially the incongrous post about Meistersingers!
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Jan 12 2008, 06:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Most shadowrunners don't suck the souls out of people for their own perverted enjoyment, though. Granted, there are some that just plain kill for their perverted enjoyment, and they're on my least liked list too - just can't remember them offhand. |
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Jan 12 2008, 06:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Was that the one where he went all loopy about the beauty of their songs and stuff like that? If so, yeah, that was weird - especially after he revealed in the Each-Uisge post about how he'd be willing to murder children for the sake of the job. |
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Jan 12 2008, 11:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
What's wrong with that? Did you ever read Bravo Two Zero? The only reason the team didn't kill that Iraqi kid was because they couldn't do it discretely. They were too far away for knives and they had gone out without suppressed weapons because the Americans had already taken them all. You cannot tell me that they and the mission wouldn't have been better off if they had killed the kid. |
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Jan 12 2008, 11:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
I'll second that. |
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Jan 13 2008, 12:11 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
What was the matter with doing it continuously? ~J |
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Jan 13 2008, 07:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
You can only do it once.
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Jan 14 2008, 03:15 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Peregrin,
Chromed Accountant SPD/X-plod former cops Synner, Ancient History, Andvare There's one, I can't quite remember her name, on page 100 of SoE. (If I never said it, Thank you chummer.;) ) |
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Jan 14 2008, 03:23 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I had one really great line in a sourcebook, which I shall always be thankful for.
Just to be contrary, I like Wordsmyth of the Immortal posters. |
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Jan 14 2008, 03:35 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Which one? |
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Jan 14 2008, 03:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
My favorite would be Buzz, the Humanis 'runner. It's amusing to watch stone cold killers get all upset when someone expresses a pro-human viewpoint. I hope the developers will show more of him in the future. I don't really have a "least favorite".
The two funniest Shadowland exchanges, IMO, are Jack Q/Rebecca Constantine, from YotC, and Wolfman/Smiling Bandit, from...I think it was Street Samurai Catalog. I'd nominate the "Macmillan Group" segment from Super Tuesday(?) as a runner up. |
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Jan 14 2008, 03:48 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
While an amusing interchange, the Q/Constantine piece was not shadowtalk, but a transcript of an ordinary trid broadcast.
~J |
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Jan 14 2008, 07:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 29-December 06 Member No.: 10,483 |
Well to be fair it is one thing to kill someone because it is a job. It is a completely different thing to do it as some kind of personal policy. Something else is that on the other end is I'm thinking some of the truly screwed up runners would hate to close off their people to kill options. Also I personally like having being rather socially blind about the people they work with as a kind of tell. "Right so you are a human, ork, and elf, and you all carry yourself like killers. I know runners when I see them."
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Jan 15 2008, 12:57 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
p.118 System Failure "They can have my deck when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands." |
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Jan 15 2008, 01:07 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
:grinbig:
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Jan 15 2008, 01:14 AM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
That is the one downside of the new SR4 format for Jackpoint posters: with less one-shot posts there's less chance that any of us will see our names.
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Jan 15 2008, 03:04 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
I'll admit, when the writers were told about the new format, that made me sad. I liked inserting one-shot comments from characters of people I'd met.
I will still try to fit them in as guest posters where possible, though! |
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Jan 15 2008, 04:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
What new format? I haven't picked up any of the new books yet, so I don't know what this format is.
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Jan 15 2008, 05:25 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
The "Shadowland BBS only allows posting from a certain elite circle of folks" format. There's a regular crew of NPC-types who are the only ones who'll comment on stuff from now on. No more one-shot characters, no more name-dropping of RL forumites, etc, etc. Just a big list of corp-approved personalities and perspectives. |
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Jan 15 2008, 05:32 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
heck, it's a hacker-board . . if you're good enough to hack it, you're free to post ain't ya? O.o
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Jan 15 2008, 06:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
I think the corp doing the approving is the one that publishes SR. Which makes it ironic if they are the ones clamping down on such expressions.
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Jan 15 2008, 06:44 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, here's the thing...
It's no longer Shadowland. The new format isn't a free-for-all of whoever-can-hack-their-way-in-can-post. Instead, you have the JackPoint network with a list of regular users, each with their own personality and specialities. Guest shadowtalkers are often featured when the group needs information beyond the limited scope of the regular list. There were a couple reasons this new format was chosen - the first being, that by the end of SR3, the number of one-shot posters was out of control. You would have upwards of fifty new shadowposters per book, often more, many of whom only were used once (and whose names were horrible puns). For two there, was no real effort to give unique (and discrete and continuous from one usage to the next in some cases) personalities and knowledge bases to many of the characters. So while authors could load in characters from their home games and posters from the boards, it got ridiculous. One of the things you can see develop in first edition are a rough collection of "core" characters that would re-appear in book after book, and these are the characters people tend to remember and whose personalities and specialties were developed-Captain Chaos, FastJack, the Chrome Accountant, the Smiling Bandit, Man-of-Many-Names, The Laughing Man, Pyramid Watcher, etc. |
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Jan 15 2008, 07:14 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
I think the change to a core of posters was well done, overall. But I still pine for some of the wackjobs that popped into Shadowland with one or two comments never to be seen again. 'Course, that means it's very hard to give a "voice" to any of the posters, which has been done extremely well so far in SR4 (e.g., the Netcat/Clockwork interaction in Emergence which continues nicely into Corp. Enclaves).
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Jan 15 2008, 08:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
I don't know. Tom Dowd gave Neon Samurai and Nightfire a pretty distinct voice each in two sets of very, very limited shadowtalk in Fields of Fire.
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Jan 15 2008, 08:15 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
But another issue there is consistency/continuity among many writers. Early Shadowrun had staff writers, like Dowd. A limited pool of writers who were consistent. It was easy for Dowd to remember Neon Samurai and Nightfire's personalities across books, especially if they only appeared in ones he wrote. Later editions of Shadowrun used freelancers, a shifting pool of more writers. Some literally only appeared for a section of one book and never wrote anything again. We tried to keep the many shadowposters straight (I have a copy of the ridiculous Excel file on my computer), but it was difficult to keep updated. I recall running into times when another author and myself were writing on the same book and had posted shadowtalk with the same shadowposter that made the person look like two people. |
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