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 Jan 14 2008, 05:36 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042  |
About Arsenal was early 2008.
So, where is it? |
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Jan 14 2008, 05:44 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...oop ack
I'm trying not to think about this anymore. Gives me massive headaches that even downing a 200 ct bottle of Advil at once won't relieve. |
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Jan 14 2008, 05:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 861 Joined: 27-November 07 Member No.: 14,397 |
Well, early could be January, Febuary, March, or April (first 4 months early, then next 4 are mid, last 4 are late). But who knows if that is what they ment. But I do agree, I've been waiting for this one for a while, right up there with Augmentation for me. Would be nice to at least have a soft release date of some kind now that we are on this side of '08
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Jan 14 2008, 05:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006 |
www.catalystgamelabs.com So, it should be out before march. Early 2008 does not mean "First two weeks in January" is means "Sometime early in the year." Keep an eye on there..that is supposed to be the most accurate site, with anything anywhere else being hear-say. ;) |
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Jan 14 2008, 08:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 16-October 06 Member No.: 9,630 |
Wasn't that books release date at one point early 2007?
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Jan 14 2008, 08:49 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Try being the one finishing it. http://catalystgamelabs.com/2008/01/11/new...k-announcement/ is the latest news. |
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Jan 14 2008, 09:21 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, but the order of release for Arsenal and Augmentation was switched. |
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Jan 14 2008, 09:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006 |
Which makes sense, while guns and vehicles are important, there is a heck of alot more to them(like making sure everything is nice and varied) as opposed to the stuff in Augmentation. That, and, lets face it, part of the cyberpunk genre is the cyber. So, thematically, considering most of the same guns have been around in SR for years, the most new, bleeding edge stuff that would add the chrome into things would be Augmentation. |
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Jan 14 2008, 10:30 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
considering basically most everyone is capable of doing some hacker/rigger stuff that would probably still have been better released first . . of course after unwired which is still waayy off *g*
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Jan 14 2008, 11:13 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
It will cost as much as the main book, despite going at 200 pages?
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Jan 14 2008, 11:36 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
This is incorrect, writing on Unwired is complete and the book is currently in final playtesting and editing. |
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Jan 14 2008, 11:57 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Personally, I think they got the release order pretty much right (after the shuffle). Magic and then Augmentation, followed by Tech and the Matrix (hopefully in quick succession). |
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Jan 14 2008, 12:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 25-May 05 Member No.: 7,415 |
I have high hopes for Unwired. Maybe it can make some order out of the chaos that are the standard Matrix rules. It really is getting ridiculous when "house rules" for the Matrix involves rewriting the entire section of the book. |
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Jan 14 2008, 12:14 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Core books sell better than supplements. Companies can afford to make larger print runs (which drops costs per book) and can risk lower profit margins per unit. Modern economics essentially subsidizes core material. That's why in D&D land Unearthed Arcana costs more than the Player's Handbook. The Player's Handbook is larger, but they print and sell more of it, so that keeps their costs down and profits up. The Player's Handbook makes substantially mre money for them than Unearthed Arcana as well, despite having more material and a lower price tag.
Yeah, but you told the dumpshock community that writing was finished on Arsenal was finished while I was writing my sections for Augmentation, so you'll forgive the masses for predicting that Unwired is "a long way off." -Frank |
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Jan 14 2008, 01:34 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
The masses are free to interpret what I said any way "they" want. But since I've spent quite some time in the past week proof-reading and editing finals, I'm fairly certain Arsenal will be out sooner rather than later. For the record, what I said at the time was the "primary writing" on Arsenal was complete while wrapping Augmentation - and it was. The actual release has been delayed, amongst other reasons, by the inclusion of significant playtesting feedback, the addition inclusion of a bunch of stuff "left over" from Augmentation, and writing a number of fluff sections that we decided were necessary. |
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Jan 14 2008, 01:42 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Street Magic / Augmentation / Arsenal, all core books. Unwired will depend, I have hope but hope does not make for sound business decisions.
Speaking of those, I´m very curious about the priorities of whoever will get the german license with a backlog of Augmentation, Arsenal, Unwired, and Corp Enclaves. While merely translating and printing those should be one of the better paying activities in the RPG market, it is becoming a major investment (I admit that my basic assumption -that the german market is rather large and therefore important- might simply be wrong). |
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Jan 14 2008, 03:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097 |
I always assume something like "early 2008" really means "as late as possible while still qualifying as early 2008". DS |
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Jan 14 2008, 04:02 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...thanks for the link. "...mixing your own chemicals & explosives..." Gee, Leela (#94) may need to come out of retirement.
...and that news that makes Violet (#95) a very happy girl. ...again, thanks much for the updates....headaches going away now... :) |
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Jan 14 2008, 05:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
It could also mean the early 2008. The one that happened first. Maybe we'll have to wait for someone to develope a time machine, and the release will actually happen in 2008 BC, in order to inspire some crazy 4th world elves to be all cyberpunk, and then SR4 will seem relevant in the face of our rewritten history books. But of course, hopefully I'll have my grubby little hands on it a littler sooner (later?) than that. |
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Jan 14 2008, 05:22 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
That's what happens when your core book is cheaper than most other core books... ;-) |
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Jan 14 2008, 05:46 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Microsoft and their 57th of December releases.... |
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Jan 14 2008, 06:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 29-December 06 Member No.: 10,483 |
Yeah but Aresenal is all about toys, and nothing is better for a runner than having the neatest possible toys.
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Jan 14 2008, 06:30 PM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
Oh no! *Goes away to meditate, fast and generally prepare the soul for the next four years of eleven page Martial Arts threads that will appear every three weeks.* |
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Jan 14 2008, 07:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
Well, that says first quarter, which means we get Arsenal by the end of March. Awesome.
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Jan 14 2008, 07:44 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Please forgive me for being shocked, my brain still occasionally calculates euro=dollar. Reality is more like 1: 1.5, and I can live with paying about 25+ euro per book (the german street magic was 35 euro, but I got a slightly damaged one on a budget). And yeah, closer analysis of printed vs ebook prices in combination with page numbers shows that the price structure is fair, and noone heard of record profits in the RPG industry, so far. Waiting for german street prices, but so far all is well! |
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