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Jan 19 2008, 06:17 AM
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Ain Soph Aur ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
Before this thread gets closed, just wanted to say that I think amongst corporate mid-management and up there would probably be a whole lot of marriages of convenience/alliance that from a corporate politics point of vue would suit both parties well.
Also, amonst the numerous Japanacorps, who often operate as 'family' units, you probably can't get a mid+ management job if you are not married. With the billion-hour work week that the corporate drones, and especially ladder climbers, have to pull in, marriage is probably a loveless thing. Just two people getting together to divide house keeping tasks. Business at work, business at home. Spouses check up on each oher and the tasks they have to do, then go their seperate ways to their individual simsense experiences and go to bed. Sex is overrated anyway - they barely know and like each other in the first place, and simsense is better than sex anyway. Plop out a kid, again as a convention, appearances sake. Send the kid off to corporate boarding school, get the damn bugger out of trouble and out of your hair. |
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Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Sure, they expect you to ignore your family to stay at your desk for the corp, but they like the nice picture of the corp as home to happy families. The sort of two faced mind set we've learned to expect from the corporate world.
Imagine the deals you get if the corp does your wedding though. I mean they own the site, the caterer, the clothes the DJ. etc. and you can get special themes, like at Disney today. I've heard in Japan weddings are remarkably expensive affairs with the happy (but suddenly improvrished) couple having to wear at least 3 outfits. 1 for the ceremony, 1 for the reception and 1 for going on honey moon. Often a forth outfit for pictures between the ceremony and the reception. Also a big style trend in Japan is now western style weddings with caucasian men with good voices being asked to play the role of a minister, after the real official or priest has done his part. that having been said, sure, these could get really wild for costs and I'm suddenly thinking of a whole new set of runs. hee hee hee |
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Jan 19 2008, 06:14 PM
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King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Yes but is that more because of local attitudes and customs of 'So what if your miserable? You married, now get on with being bored for the next 60 years. Divorce is not acceptable. Oh and we'll send round a bunch of male relatives to kill you if you try to leave and dishonour or family' type situation? |
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Jan 19 2008, 06:53 PM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I don't believe so. I mean, I suspect that having taken the element of choice out of it has something to do with it, and societal expectations probably do as well, but I don't believe the outcome in terms of divorce rate is higher for cultures with strictly-arranged marriage (in contrast to something like the Japanese-style arranged marriage, which as far as I can tell is "here, let me introduce you to this person. Now go decide whether you're going to marry them or not.") where repercussions for deviating from expectations are less severe (say, no mobs out for blood because of a divorce).
For what it's worth, there's evidence that humans tend toward serial monogamy rather than strict monogamy—I believe the span is generally considered four years. As such, arranged marriages could be considered unnatural because of how frequently they last longer than four years. ~J |
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Jan 19 2008, 08:09 PM
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
one of our politicians just proposed a law that would limit marriage to a seven years span and would have to be re-established by then
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Jan 19 2008, 08:41 PM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Probably not a bad idea, though a similar clause for laws would be more beneficial (possibly with a shorter duration).
~J |
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Jan 19 2008, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
I wasn't addressing it just to you. Besides that, you were too equivocating for me. |
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Jan 19 2008, 09:17 PM
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Midnight Toker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The end of the dopamine-intense phase the the relationship is probably the primary cause of divorce. In the case of arrange marriages, there probably isn't a dopamine-intense phase. Thus, they have a chance to build a lasting bond over time without the risk of discontentment associated with the end of the dompmine-intense phase of a relationship. |
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Jan 19 2008, 09:30 PM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Right. People just aren't meant to stay together after the dopamine-intense phase—you should be getting out there and diversifying your gene pool commitment, not sitting around with the same old batch of genetic material. Arranged marriages short-circuit that "move on" cue.
~J |
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Jan 19 2008, 09:46 PM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Fun fact: reducing even further the weight of the "social expectation or threat of violence" theory, this USCIS report indicates that fully 80% of marriages to mail-order brides reported have lasted throughout the period for which reports are available.
~J |
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Jan 19 2008, 10:31 PM
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Midnight Toker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Of course, the release of Oxytocin during sex suggests that long-term bonding to sexual partners is selected for, to a degree and that pseudo-polygamy (with one primary long-term relationship and a series of torrid short-term affairs) may be preferable to serial monogomy. Mechanisms of sperm competition also suggest that infidelity is selected for in both genders. Since dopamine-intense romance and long-term oxytocin based bonding work by totally different chemical mechanisms, they are mutually compatible. It is possible to maintain a long-term bond with one individual while still engaging in an intense romance with another. In the matter of resource appropriation, serial infidelity is preferable to serial monogamy. The breakup of a monogamous relationship can easily ruin one or both partners while infidelity simply adds more avenues for resource-sharing. |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:11 AM
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King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Ignore my last post, I'm an idiot. When you said arranged marriage I somehow mentally read it as forced marriage which is of course a whole other kettle of fish. I can but blame lack of sleep since I've debated this whole issue with Asian friends to death in the past. |
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Jan 20 2008, 05:32 PM
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
you're not so out of it, that's what I was thinknig about, especially when you hear of araband indian cultural groups in the west were someone, usually a woman, rebells against going into an arranged marriage and is later the victim of an 'honor killing."
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Jan 20 2008, 06:51 PM
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
http://www.shaadi.com/
It's real. And it extends into the US. 60 pages of potential brides aged 20 to 25. -Frank |
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Jan 20 2008, 07:18 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
It's classier than buying a 17 year old Moldavian girl for 1,000 euros in Bosnia. Which is also a real option.
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Jan 20 2008, 07:39 PM
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
A Thousand Euros for a Moldovan girl!? You are being overcharged my friend, Moldova is practically on the barter economy these days and you can get a whore or a wife literally for peanuts.
I think you're out about 200 kilograms of peanuts, which will set you back about 300 Euros. -Frank |
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Jan 20 2008, 07:41 PM
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
See, I just tell them I run a restaurant where they can sing for money, and all I have to pay is the cost of a plane ticket.
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Jan 22 2008, 05:01 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Extra points for mentioning Gor. Gor will never be complete till there are more fetish sites featuring "Gorian" photographs that feature squishy and overweight females photographed in trailers doing their Gor poses. |
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Jan 22 2008, 07:01 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 14-January 07 Member No.: 10,633 |
Do I even want to know what the hell Gor is?
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Jan 22 2008, 02:21 PM
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Free Spirit ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,928 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Gor is counter-Earth, a planet directly across the sun from Earth, the setting for John Norman's fantasy book series of manly men weilding swords and slave women who wear clothing at the desire of their manly men masters. Soft porn in nature. Priest kings limit technology and people seem to be in prime health and live long natural lives, probably to make up for all those that die during manly men conflict.
The Gor poses probably references typical fantasy art for book covers with scantily clad women, or nude women with long hair that happens to obscure anything that would call for a PG13+ rating. |
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Jan 22 2008, 02:26 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
Not really. But if you watch too much MST3K and find out, it won't be the end of the world. |
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Jan 22 2008, 02:33 PM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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Jan 22 2008, 02:46 PM
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Free Spirit ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,928 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Age of Sexual Consent in North America with links at bottom of page for most of the rest of the world. I noticed at least one state missing from the list. I also know there is a US federal law making it illegal for anyone to go to a country to have sex with a person under 18 - even if it is legal in that country. A more complete list. Is any of this covered in any of the SR books? Like if the NANs have arranged marriages or what their view is toward age of consent. One hundred years ago and more, the expected lifespan was shorter and people married earlier. Would the NANs revert to these traditions or see them as a result of the times? <edit> Just found some of this in Sprawl Survival Guide. It looks like it is the same as now for the age of consent. |
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Jan 22 2008, 05:45 PM
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Midnight Toker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
But that picture doesn't even begin to explain that their is a subculture of individuals known as Goreans who are obsessed with the Gor novels to the point that they take their lifestyle from them, with the manly sword combat removed for some reason. Thus, there are groups people who practice 24/7 Total Power Exchange sexual slavery using trappings stolen directly from the Gor novels and some of them post naked pictures of their slaves on the internet. |
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Jan 22 2008, 05:51 PM
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Where do I sign up? :D
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