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TheRedRightHand
post Jan 18 2008, 07:30 PM
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Hi all, this is just a question for the developers.

Are you still accepting submissions for the upcoming book Feral Cities? The last mention I could find of it on the main website said that you were, but that was dated almost 2 months ago.

Any current info would be appreciated.

Also, are there other books currently accepting submissions, and if so, is there a list somewhere?



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post Jan 18 2008, 07:42 PM
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...if so....Portland, Portland I want to do Portland...

...on second thought, maybe Tiger Eyes should.
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post Jan 18 2008, 07:49 PM
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Is Portland actually feral though? I thought it was fairly civilized, what with being in the Tir and all. I figure Chicago has got to be in there as one of the main cities...hmm, maybe Oakland, CA? It was pretty wild when the Imps had taken SF and driven all of the metas into the East Bay. I can't imagine it's gotten any better.
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post Jan 18 2008, 08:05 PM
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...well after the council of twits jumped ship and the wall came tumbling down hard to say if things remained "civilised" As I understand there are still remnants of the Rinelle hanging around and they were supposedly so factionalised they almost made the Balkans look like a model of stability.

...oh, and speaking of the Balkans, maybe Zagreb, Beograd, and the Sarajevo Enclave?
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post Jan 18 2008, 08:09 PM
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Feral Cities has been assigned as currently in development.

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Also, are there other books currently accepting submissions, and if so, is there a list somewhere?

We are still accepting submissions for Runner's Companion (though those will be closed soon). After that come:

  • Crime Time aka the Underworld sb (working title),
  • Corp Guide (working title),
  • Awakened Haunts,
  • Running Wild,
  • super-duper-secret campaign book
  • Cities of Intrigue,
  • Strange Places (extreme locations such as space stations, Mars bases, Antarctic arcologies, undersea cities).

Submissions are effectively open for all those books, even though most are nowhere near development stage. If you send in a proposal it will be noted and we will be in touch when the "official" submission process kicks off.

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...if so....Portland, Portland I want to do Portland...

Nope, Feral Cities will focus on cities that have really gone to the dogs. Places like GeMiTo, Sarajevo, or Bug City. According to an entry in Corporate Enclaves, the Tir is actually looking pretty good - then again it might be Horizon spin.
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post Jan 18 2008, 08:50 PM
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Out of curiosity, is there an outline of how the community writing element works? Everybody on here seems to know about it, and I feel in the dark. :P
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post Jan 18 2008, 08:54 PM
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Ok,

Thanks for the info Synner. Too bad about feral Cities I had a great idea for a city that should be included.

But, if I may ask another question, how would someone find out what, generally, the developers are looking for in those other upcoming books?

I figure the "super secret campaign book" is probably not accepting submissions (at least from the general public) but what about "Cities of Intrigue" or "Crime Time"? Is there any place yet (or soon to be) where someone could find out what the developers are generally looking for or want?
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post Jan 18 2008, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (Synner)
Nope, Feral Cities will focus on cities that have really gone to the dogs. Places like GeMiTo, Sarajevo, or Bug City. According to an entry in Corporate Enclaves, the Tir is actually looking pretty good - then again it might be Horizon spin.

...maybe Cities of Intrigue then? Nice to see that Sarajevo is at least being included. Hope htere's also some backgound on the general scene in the Balkans as well. I know SOTA '64 had mention about the peace talks between Serbia and Croatia in '63.

Oooh Strange Places, now that does interest me...
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post Jan 18 2008, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (TheRedRightHand)
But, if I may ask another question, how would someone find out what, generally, the developers are looking for in those other upcoming books?
I figure the "super secret campaign book" is probably not accepting submissions (at least from the general public) but what about "Cities of Intrigue" or "Crime Time"? Is there any place yet (or soon to be) where someone could find out what the developers are generally looking for or want?

Established freelancers have little edge because they get access to a general (and at that point pretty fluid) outline of what we want the book to look like when we make a call for submissions. Typically, we also send this outline out to any newcomers who sent in potential submissions and may want to revise their initial proposal now that more info is available - consider it a place holder of sorts. Otherwise you pretty much have to trust your instincts as to what you think would be good in a particular book and make the best pitch you can. Heck, my first project (Shadows of Europe) wasn't even on the planning and was added on the strength of the EuroSBer's collective pitch.

That said it isn't too hard to guess what we will want to include in some of these upcoming books (and tracking down Rob's GenCon seminar will also give some clues):

  • Crime Time is intended to update and expand the Underworld sb to the 2070 setting, as well as offering a more global perspective.
  • Runner's Companion will feature the best parts of the Shadowrun Companions and add even more character options as well as offering some Sprawl Survival Guide-type material geared at players.
  • Corp Guide will do much the same thing for the megacorps, though Rob has already publically announced that we also want to include chapters on AAs and rising stars.
  • Running Wild will be the critters book for SR4, and will (at least partially) play off the unpublished SR3 product of the same name. It definitely won't be a monster manual or Paranormal Animal Guide though.
  • Awakened Haunts, Cities of Intrigue, Strange Places will be the next in our line of themed sprawl books following Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves and Feral Cities. We have a general idea of what cities we'd like to highlight but we're always open to stuff out of the left-field.

Aside from that you might want to check this thread for some pointers from myself and other freelancers on what makes a good submission.
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Nice to see that Sarajevo is at least being included. Hope htere's also some backgound on the general scene in the Balkans as well.  I know SOTA '64 had mention about the peace talks between Serbia and Croatia in '63.

Note I didn't say if any of the cities I mentioned were being included. However, were Sarajevo to be included it would be unlikely to be more than a secondary location and hence limited in length.

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Oooh Strange Places, now that does interest me...

Thought it might.
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post Jan 18 2008, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (TheRedRightHand)
But, if I may ask another question, how would someone find out what, generally, the developers are looking for in those other upcoming books?

I figure the "super secret campaign book" is probably not accepting submissions (at least from the general public) but what about "Cities of Intrigue" or "Crime Time"? Is there any place yet (or soon to be) where someone could find out what the developers are generally looking for or want?

I second this request.
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post Jan 18 2008, 09:48 PM
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...guess I'm still hungry for additional info concerning the Balkans besides the couple paragraphs in SoE and background I wrote for my RiS campaign..

Hmmm, now I will have to dig up my old Neo Anarchist's Guide to Real Space notes as well as reread Corporate Shadowfiles (Z-O), Wake of the Comet, and Target: Wastelands
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post Jan 18 2008, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
...guess I'm still hungry for additional info concerning the Balkans besides the couple paragraphs in SoE and background I wrote for my RiS campaign..

Hmmm, now I will have to dig up my old Neo Anarchist's Guide to Real Space notes as well as reread Corporate Shadowfiles (Z-O), Wake of the Comet, and Target: Wastelands

you rule ^^
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post Jan 18 2008, 10:16 PM
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Another resource for information about writing can be found here.

Also, several of the freelancers made their relationships and inroads with the old guard by writing SR Missions and going to GenCon Indy. This is by no means a guarantee, but it shows a conversance with the rules systems and an ability to write on a deadline. (Also, you get free editing and peer-review which can help expose you to having a draft come back with more red-lining than text.)
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post Jan 19 2008, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
...guess I'm still hungry for additional info concerning the Balkans besides the couple paragraphs in SoE and background I wrote for my RiS campaign..

I do have a rough draft of a Balkans chapter stored somewhere on my backups, just like I have one on Greece.
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post Jan 19 2008, 01:17 PM
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i heard rumors about a shadows of mexico book . . that legit?
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post Jan 19 2008, 01:30 PM
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i heard rumors about a shadows of mexico book . . that legit?

The book you are thinking of is Shadows of Latin America. Writing was completed on it, but because it was an SR3 book whose release date would have fallen after the release of SR4, it was pulled from the schedule and remains unreleased.

There's always been a desire and intent to release the content, but it's also always been linked to Holostreets, which has not yet materialized.
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post Jan 19 2008, 01:38 PM
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i did a quick looksee and i found an PDF named Shadows of Mexico . . it looked legit to me O.o
Edit:maybe that's from whitewolf, i'll have to check it out once i get home . .
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post Jan 19 2008, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (Earlydawn)
Out of curiosity, is there an outline of how the community writing element works? Everybody on here seems to know about it, and I feel in the dark. :P

Uh... I can take a crack at it. I used to be involved.

Catalyst does not pay their bills on time. They will eventually pay you, just not on time. If that's a problem for you, don't bother.

If, on the other hand, you want to write for Shadowrun because you love the setting and want to be able to wink at some of your friends and say "Yeah, I wrote that part" then go ahead. Catalyst designs books by committy, which is in the long run good. But at times it can be extremely frustrating. It's a painfully slow process because honestly not everyone you are working with will do their job.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the rules of writing for Catalyst include not contradicting the basic book. That's overall a good thing. The last thing you want is to go into D&D land where there are literally dozens of versions of certain rules floating around. But this also means that when you run into a rule that is actually crap (Cyberlimbs comes to mind), getting anything done about it is an incredibly draining and difficult task.

And the playtesters are fucking retarded. I'm not even kidding. When writing for Street Magic I seriously got a playtest report that was just a diatribe in broken English about how they thought "Worker Spirit" sounded "too communist" (they were eventually renamed "Task Spirits" - as if I gave two shits which name got used).

And your editor will do everything at the last moment and he will fuck you. Guardian Spirits weren't supposed to have Magical Guard, for example. Allies were supposed to have a non-linear cost to make Force 7+ Allies prohibitive. The Essence Hole rules were supposed to make any god damn bit of sense. This isn't malicious, your editor is just jumping from project to project in a rush and likely won't get around to making some changes until right at the last minute as things are being stuck into galley proofs.

And not every one of the free lancers can run a potato clock with the wattage of their radio brains, let me tell you. Bloodzilla was explained, at length, during the design process. The fact that it was a shit idea that had no business being in Shadowrun was exhaustively demonstrated with numbers and little graphs, and it made the final cut anyway because someone wanted it to "feel different" - and I only use that example because it's the most blatantly obvious. Frankly there are many pieces of boneheadery that makes my hackles rise to this day.

But enough about the bad. You get to put your material into Shadowrun canon. Sometimes you can convince another writer that their idea is bad and yours would be better. Sometimes someone drops out and you get asked to write the Cybermancy section at the last minute and you get bragging rights forever.

If I had it to do all over again, I would.

-Frank
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post Jan 19 2008, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele)
i did a quick looksee and i found an PDF named Shadows of Mexico . . it looked legit to me O.o
Edit:maybe that's from whitewolf, i'll have to check it out once i get home . .

Yeah, if you mean this, that's a White Wolf book.
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Nothing to see here! I did not post the exact same thing as DE over 30 minutes later! Move along!
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post Jan 19 2008, 02:44 PM
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ah yep, that would be it . . *marks it for deletion*
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QUOTE (Synner)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Jan 18 2008, 09:48 PM)
...guess I'm still hungry for additional info concerning the Balkans besides the couple paragraphs in SoE and background I wrote for my RiS campaign..

I do have a rough draft of a Balkans chapter stored somewhere on my backups, just like I have one on Greece.

...Is there any chance I could see this info? If so, PM me and I can send my regular email address.

Already reading up on everything relating to Shadowrun and space.
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
QUOTE (Synner @ Jan 19 2008, 06:29 AM)
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Jan 18 2008, 09:48 PM)
...guess I'm still hungry for additional info concerning the Balkans besides the couple paragraphs in SoE and background I wrote for my RiS campaign..

I do have a rough draft of a Balkans chapter stored somewhere on my backups, just like I have one on Greece.

...Is there any chance I could see this info? If so, PM me and I can send my regular email address.

Already reading up on everything relating to Shadowrun and space.

and again, you rule for that one ^^
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QUOTE (Synner @ Jan 18 2008, 04:42 PM)
Awakened Haunts, Cities of Intrigue, Strange Places will be the next in our line of themed sprawl books following Runner Havens, Corporate Enclaves and Feral Cities. We have a general idea of what cities we'd like to highlight but we're always open to stuff out of the left-field.

Just from my mind, here are some cities/sprawls I'd consider for each:

Awakened Haunts
  • Portland, Tir Tairngire
  • Boston, UCAS
  • Prague, Czech Republic
  • Jerusalem, Israel
  • Sydney, Australia
  • Belfast, Tir na nOg
  • Lhasa, Tibet
  • Leshan, Sichaun
  • Athens, Greece
  • Yakutsk, Yakut
  • Phnon Penh, Cambodia
  • Urga, Mongolia
  • Urumqi, Xianjing

Cities of Intrigue
  • Kittimat, Tsimshian Protectorate
  • San Francisco, CFS
  • Boise, Tri-Border City
  • Denver, FRFZ
  • Washington, DC UCAS
  • Austin, CAS
  • Geneva, Switzerland
  • London, Great Britain
  • Brussel, EC
  • Warsaw, Poland
  • Moscow, Russia
  • Baghdad, Iraq
  • Dushanbe, Tajikistan
  • Hainan
  • Beirut, Lebanon
  • Bogota
  • St. Louis, UCAS
  • Manila, Philippines
  • Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina
  • Kiev, Ukraine
  • Odessa, Ukraine
  • Mogadishu, Ethiomalian TerritorieS
  • Urumqi, Ughuristan
  • Chengdu, Sichuan
  • Tashkent, Turkestan

Strange Places
  • Los Alamos, PCC
  • Santiago de Compostela, Spain
  • Tehran, Iran
  • Outback, Australia
  • Haparanda Anomaly Zone, Finland
  • Jutland, Denmark
  • Apollo Station
  • Death Valley, PCC
  • Nicosia, Cyprus
  • STOLZ, Israel
  • R'lyeh

Most of these should be pretty obvious as to why they are included. I especially like the idea of making Mogadishu a viable, intriguing (pun intended) city.
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post Jan 19 2008, 09:28 PM
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Depending on your take on it Portland could just as well fit in Cities of Intrigue. And I'd definitely add Metropole, Amazonia to Awakened Haunts. While we tend to have some ideas in mind for the primary locations in each book we tend to hold off on final decisions until we've recieved submissions - you never know when someone might come up with something unexpected and great.
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