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 Jan 19 2008, 11:41 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611  |
Of course. I completely forgot about Metropole.
I agree about Portland as well, but I was trying not to duplicate cities. I think the only one is Urumqi. |
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Jan 19 2008, 11:50 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
O'Rlyeh? O.o
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Jan 19 2008, 11:51 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'll personally hunt you down and do nasty things to you if Metropole is not included in Awakened Haunts (or any one of the other Location books). And I'm not talking about the little 'Constantinople'-type mention either, but a big-ass write up worthy of the grand sprawl that it has become. :P :D |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:21 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Isn´t that kind of in Latin America?
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Jan 20 2008, 12:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
Yes, R'lyeh. |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:25 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Metropole? It sure is. Why? It's only one of the biggest Sprawls (if not the biggest) in the Sixth World. And we have fuck all information on it! |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:30 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I did intend to pitch a full Metropole chapter for Awakened Haunts myself (one that plays off the setting that we wrote for SoLA). I even roped some local SR fans into helping out - but to be perfectly honest I'm pretty swamped these days and I'm not sure I could pull it off with my other responsabilities. Same with London for Cities of Intrigue (come on, admit it, you want to know what 's up with the Pendragon, the Underground, Queen Caroline and the LPO after the build up in SoE).
That's not to say they won't be in the books, but that I'm not sure I could be the writer. Only time will tell. |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:34 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
something I wanna know is if the sub-terranean Dwarven Kingdom(s) get placed into one of those Books *g*
Probably not but meh ^^# |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:38 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Did I mention that I have a whip or two? |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:39 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
must . . resist . . urge to . . comment . . on fortune . . being whipped . .
also have to stop writing like shatner talked <.< |
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Jan 20 2008, 02:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
If I thought it would get in, I'd pitch it. But it's really not a sprawl-type place and being that it is in Tibet, it's not the easiest city to get to either, so I don't really think it belongs in the signature settings. |
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Jan 20 2008, 03:22 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, there is Renraku's promise to wire Tibet so that AI can get its pilgrimage in (yay Emergence). |
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Jan 20 2008, 05:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 640 Joined: 8-October 07 Member No.: 13,611 |
What? Really?
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Jan 20 2008, 12:29 PM
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Mystery Archaeologist Group: Members Posts: 2,906 Joined: 19-September 05 From: The apple tree Member No.: 7,760 |
If you want to PM me the basic ideas for london you have I might attempt something, I've mostly been building the rest of the UK but that could be included in a London write up. That being said I think I'm better at grand ideas than writing... If you fancy PMing me any stuff you have anyway I'd keep it secret and love you forever :D |
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Jan 20 2008, 12:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 30-November 04 Member No.: 6,858 |
Are you a Brit Ophis? Please let someone British do the London write up.
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Jan 20 2008, 01:06 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, 'cause that worked so well last time.
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Jan 20 2008, 01:15 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
ok, since i am now wide awake and not tired like hell from work i will ask this again in all seriousness:"what about thoe subterranean dwarven kingdoms?"
am i the only one who kinda liked that? |
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Jan 20 2008, 01:24 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Honestly, I would just turn it over to an ex-pat who spends a lot of time in London. It's really hard to explain the "feel" of interacting with your own culture to an outsider, because you are not in fact ever interacting with your own culture as an outsider. So while you can make a great tour guide, showing outsiders where to eat and what to do, you'll never be able to convey theuniqueness of your own city to an outsider because the things which really stand out and make an impression to other people are perfectly normal to you - often not even worth mentioning.
The Czechs deal with time in a really weird way. They don't think it is weird, because that's how they do it. Conveying the incredibly convoluted double standard they have about delays is something that natives can't even do. As a visitor certain things pop out at you: people making out and groping each other on city trams; massive local beer consumption; continuous bureaucratic nightmares; the resigned xenophobia of the general populace; the casual apathy everyone has towards government institutions... those things leap out at a visitor and smack them in the face. But Czechs don't think it's even noteworthy because that's how they normally do things. If you're reading a location entry for a Shadowrun book, you are essentially visiting that location. You don't want the point of view of a native, you want the point of view of a visitor. Because that's who could actually give you the visitor's perspective that would be appropriate. -Frank |
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Jan 20 2008, 01:37 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
but aren't most of the location chapters being written mostly out of the perspective of a native to the location?
ok, they are probably written by someone who was an outsider there, but from the point of view of a native or am i wrong? no matter if i am wrong or right, i am now confused x.x |
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Jan 20 2008, 01:39 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yes! |
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Jan 20 2008, 01:50 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Many of them are written in the voice of a guest Jackpoint poster who could be considered a local. But usually these are runners who spend considerable amounts of time elsewhere and have a clear idea of the differences between this city and others. For example, Rigger X was the voice I used for the Nerve Centers of Neo-Tokyo chapter, and he had been exiled from Neo-Tokyo for years before being able to re-enter thanks to shifts in power among the Yakuza. |
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Jan 20 2008, 01:56 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I hope you mean "the first time." The last time was SoE and I (not-quite an ex-pat) co-wrote the United Kingdom chapter with Alistair Fraiser (a native) - and it seemed to go over quite well. Though we preserved much of what Mr Sargent and Mr Gascoigne produced in the original London sb we did twist it here and there to ground things better in the setting and timeline so as to make them more palatable to today's public. Personally, I don't think it has so much to do with the writer being a native or not (though I prefer a local to get the atmosphere right), as much as having a sensibility regarding how a particular place or setting element fits into the global picture of the overall setting. In earlier SR books, a sign of the times I believe, there was a tendency to focus on what made a particular location/country cool and unique compared to everywhere else, and ramp that up so it became the dominant feature of the setting - and this sometimes came at the cost of "setting continuity" and translated into material that didn't quite fit with the bigger picture and seemed somehow slightly "off". It's why I think the "Shadows of" books rocked for the most part, we made an effort to not only showcase local ideosyncracies and cultural tropes but to integrate each country into the bigger jigsaw picture. It's also why I like the current location books. |
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Jan 20 2008, 02:34 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, but that wasn't a specific write-up on London, which is technically what we are discussing. I considered adding a disclaimer, but didn't think it was necessary. :P ;) |
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Jan 20 2008, 02:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 30-November 04 Member No.: 6,858 |
Was the London Sourcebook written by a Brit? I'd be surprised to find out if it was. I only ask because some people seem to have some very odd ideas about the British class system, ideas that seem to derive from Edwardian costume drama and 1940's BW movies. Not that I'm particularly waiting for more write ups about Britain. My own campaign, set in England, is so far beyond what's been published previously it's unlikely to be compatible with anything new. The Pendragon, for example, crappiest NPC SR ever produced, he's been well sidelined. Edit - So we're talking about SoE not LS, that was better. |
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Jan 20 2008, 02:48 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not at all! I was indeed refering to the London Sourcebook, written by Mr Sargent and Mr Gascoigne, one or both of whom I believe are British. |
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