 4chan DOSes Scientology, How would a SR corporation react? |
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 Jan 25 2008, 07:00 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet;  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760  |
Wow, that sure beats Hubology with its lousy +1 to luck.
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Jan 25 2008, 07:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I think you could get up to +2 if you were lucky, which is actually quite good. (Read: you could get +2 to luck by Save Ninjaing) Unfortunately if you were unlucky you could lose luck. But once your luck got up there your critical hits could become a force to be reckoned with. |
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Jan 25 2008, 07:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
No luck involved really, it required a specific dialog choice and I think your luck had to be below a certain point. Could be wrong about the second part. For real amusement, set Luck to 10 at chargen and take Jinxed. |
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Jan 25 2008, 08:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
Heh...did that in both games - named the character "Chance."
In the first game I found the crashed ufo AND the crashed soda truck on the way to the first village. |
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Jan 25 2008, 08:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668 |
I do not want to jump on the is/isn't does/doesn't argument. I am Shinto if anyone asks. But that having been said I was not laughing over it. The group seems to be out there. but there is a valid point to what some have said. When you look at that tape of tom Cruise talking about scientology, if you substituted "Judism" or "Christianity" in there instread of scientology, no one would mock him for his views. |
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Jan 25 2008, 09:01 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I'll bite. "Being a Yeah, I'd still mock that. |
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Jan 25 2008, 09:39 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
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Jan 25 2008, 11:19 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Well, a lot of people believe the right thing to do is help. As for being 'the only one', well, you are there at the accident scene, so you are one of the only people in a position to help. If you don't do so, it might be too late before someone else can. Doesn't seem too sinister or ridiculous to me. Note that I am not supporting Scientology, or any religion. |
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Jan 25 2008, 11:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
in that particular quote, he seems to be saying that nobody except Scientologists stop and help at accidents.
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Jan 25 2008, 11:43 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I've seen the original quote.
I fail to see the logic of mocking a person just because they believe it is right for them to help another unfortunate individual. |
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Jan 25 2008, 11:56 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They're not saying that, though—notice that you deliberately misinterpret what he says.
His words: "the only one" Your words: "one of the only people" One of these things is not like the other. ~J |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:05 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
wow. 4chan vs Scientology.
no matter what happens, the rest of society wins. |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:24 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fair enough, though I 'misrepresented' what he was saying to illustrate my point. You took my point and are trying to say I am changing the actual quote. Answer me this: If you were driving past an accident, and there was no help for the victim available on the desolate road except what you could possible offer, would you be the 'only one that could help' right then and there? I don't think it is a bad thing to be ready and willing to offer assistance to those in need. I don't care if they think it is some divine responsibility (as a lot of religions do), or if they just do it for kicks. Help is help, and if effective, really doesn't deserve ridicule. |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I should say that I'm going only by the quote posted here, and that if context fills in any of those details, my point necessarily falls—I don't have time at the moment to find the original. However, within the context of that quote alone, I see no reason to conclude that your interpretation does not change his meaning.
Indeed, due to the paired "only one" and use of "really", my interpretation is that in fact he is not talking about rendering physical assistance at all. ~J |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:46 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't really care enough to argue the point, other than to say that, in my opinion, people that are willing to help don't really deserve ridicule for that willingness. That was really all I was trying to say.
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Jan 26 2008, 12:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 225 Joined: 13-July 07 Member No.: 12,235 |
On the Scientology vs. Whoever discussion, I'm going to go ahead and throw in my agreement with Adarael. As for the original topic at hand,
I didn't mean to say that's what is the case, merely that it might be. I mean, megacorps do have giant server farms, which could stand up to a significant amount of abuse. But I agree with you, that alone probably wouldn't be enough to stop DOS attacks.
I do envision coupling ridiculously powerful computing systems with highly advanced filtering software that can adapt to new conditions within however many seconds or minutes the plot requires. And I guess the Black IC helps too. |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:57 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Hah. I'd missed that. They have—it happens every day in Africa, every single day the anti-contraceptive message is transmitted from a priest or missionary to someone else. Examples can be found for other religions, as well, with at most few exceptions (and possibly none—at their core, all religions require some element of faith, that is, belief without evidence, which I at least consider poisonous). Critias's point stands—simply because Scientology is more modern (less time to turn into a sacred cow), and because we may not be able to point to apparent examples of good to start balancing out the bad they may do, does not make them any more apropos for this forum. ~J |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:58 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no one's mocking the willingness, they're mocking the assertion that nobody but Scientologists have that willingness, and also the idea that that willingness springs from the fact that one is a Scientologist. i dislike Scientology for the simple reason that most of its face time comes from celebrities. i think it's dangerous for a society to look to its entertainment for ideas on how to live their lives. sure, Scientology also ruins lives, flaunts laws, and does all the other stuff that makes religion great, but what makes Scientology really scary is John Travolta. |
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Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Shrug. Most (if not all) religions make claims about exclusivity in some form or another. What I really don't understand is just what these big name celebrities get out of Scientology. I mean, what possible benefits could Tom Cruise and John Travolta reap from the association that they could not garner through other, less controversial (for lack of a better word) avenues? What do people like James Packer (who has everything he wants) see in it, that they are willing to be seen as poster children for this cult? |
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Jan 26 2008, 12:56 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
something that hasn't been mentioned here yet as far as i can see:
(D)DOS tactics are pretty much viable in SR4 at least as presented by Agent Smith Armies i think *g* |
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Jan 26 2008, 01:55 PM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
Ok gang, let's watch it here. You all know Religion is one of our hot buttons, and I don't care how weird, kooky, or crazy you (Or I) think any particular religion is, do not mock, bash, flame, or whatever that faith. Period.
Bring this back on topic and drop the religion bashing. Bull |
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Jan 26 2008, 02:58 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
The vid of Cruise is pretty harmless. the part I found off was him saying the were the only source or knowledge. but if it was James Ganoldfini saying how good the catholic church was in that it teaches you to help others, no one would raise an eye brow at it. Sure Scientology has so serious problems but the Cruise video is pretty harmless.
To get back on topic, how would it be handled in the SR world? easy. we've seen it. Any of you want to read through Universal Brotherhood? AZT figured out long before hand they were just not right and pretty much exterminated all traces within the corp. one of the few things that corp's bloody rep worked correctly on. Faced with being hunted down by the corp security, how many people would risk an attack on them? Sure the odds are the corp won't get all of the trouble makers, but do you want to be the one they do get? Also there's no telling how long the corp is willing to wait for revenge. You're sitting there in a bar and suddenly a heavy hand hits your shoulders. 2 orks stand there wanting to talk to you about that little stunt you pulled 2 years ago. Heck seems like a good run-Mr Johnson wants you to find out who orchestrated the run against XYZ and bring them in, alive. Maybe Johnson works for XYZ and wants the guy punished, or hired on 'you're pretty good' or works for the competition and wants him on the payroll, or maybe will hand him over to XYZ as a 'favor' |
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Jan 26 2008, 03:10 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Damn it, are we actually agreeing? Is it a blue moon over the eastern states? :eek: :D |
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Jan 27 2008, 07:05 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
Whatever. I learned all I need to know from watching Star Trek. I think the UB is largely underrepresented in SR these days. I mean, I imagine the majority of people that joined didn't actually end up as insect hosts. It seems like it was really big at one point, and if there were that many people that believed in it as deeply as the books told us they did, you'd think there'd be a lot of UB members still kicking around. You don't just give up faith because some elves in Ireland told you they thought your spiritual mentor is evil. You just might start practicing your religious beliefs underground. In the Shadows. |
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Jan 27 2008, 05:18 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Yeah, Lots of people found it really useful and were so upset when the UCAS government finally smashed them that they got stipends for a while (Per Burning Bright)but back in the day before it came out, AZT smashed all UB activity within it's structure.
We're use to seeing AZT as one of the worst of the AAA's, blood sacrifice, Darke's Horrors and all but it might be interesting if they become champions against other corps using bug spirits. |
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