Arsenal Qs, and typos, if you find any Options

[deek]

Am I missing the cost for refueling vehicles? I know that standard operation time is 6 hours and that while in the "city" power can be drawn from the grid and therefore operate forever...but what happens when you are outside the cities and need to refuel? Cost, capacity...???

[Jaid]

Am I missing the cost for refueling vehicles? I know that standard operation time is 6 hours and that while in the "city" power can be drawn from the grid and therefore operate forever...but what happens when you are outside the cities and need to refuel? Cost, capacity...???

lifestyle ftw!

(honestly, who wants to nickel and dime this sort of thing? just either charge them a flat rate added to their lifestyle cost if their lifestyle is too low to include a vehicle, or consider it part of their lifestyle, imo)

[Dashifen]

I have a question on the PDF books in general. Can you print them? I know some pdf's are locked against that because they dont want us to reproduce, and I understand that... but I would really like to have a tabletop copy I can print out for reference. The computer is in another room and I dont like having to run back and forth if we have questions. Plus, Its just easier to thumb through something you can hold.

I printed and bound mine in a nice coil binding at the local Kinko's. It's a little flimsy and the pages could get torn out if you're not careful, but it'll tide you over until its released in hard copy.

[Ryu]

I printed and bound mine in a nice coil binding at the local Kinko's. It's a little flimsy and the pages could get torn out if you're not careful, but it'll tide you over until its released in hard copy.

You can print them, and with a small investment in professional printing on heavy paper (100g/m2+), and having that bound, the quality is not far from a real book.

[Kyoto Kid]

lifestyle ftw!

(honestly, who wants to nickel and dime this sort of thing? just either charge them a flat rate added to their lifestyle cost if their lifestyle is too low to include a vehicle, or consider it part of their lifestyle, imo)

...but as GM it was so much fun... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

Runners on a road trip toolin' along through the PCC when they pass a sign, "Next Gas 400KM". The sammy speaks up, "Hey Slick, did ya remember to gas up back at Barstow? Rigger looks down at fuel gauge, now reading about a quarter tank...

[cryptoknight]

I printed and bound mine in a nice coil binding at the local Kinko's. It's a little flimsy and the pages could get torn out if you're not careful, but it'll tide you over until its released in hard copy.

My estimate from kinkos for that is $102... wow.

[Ryu]

What kind of dollars are those? You should get the full deal for under 10 Euros in Germany. There is an error in the magnitudes I hope.

[cryptoknight]

That was in US Dollars... but I was trying to print the whole thing in color.

I then changed it to cover in color, rest in B&W.

I'm trying to now argue with Fedex Kinkos that I should be allowed to print and bind the blasted PDF.

Anywhere on Battlecorps that I have the right to print the bloody thing?

[the_dunner]

Anywhere on Battlecorps that I have the right to print the bloody thing?

Try here: Terms of Service.

[jago668]

Looks like you can, under restriction on use of materials section. It says you can print stuff as long as it is for personal use. Only it states specifically the website and things found on it. So I don't know if the pdf would be considered on the website. However I'd show them that and see where it would get me.

[cryptoknight]

They finally relented... but from reading it... I could buy the pdf and print multiple copies... as long as I don't sell them (i.e. I give them to my play group to use as source material while we game together) I could print as many as I wanted... interesting.

[Aaron]

Kinkos has a form you can sign that says that they're indemnified from fault and that you state that you own the pdf file and have the right to make a hard copy back up. You might have to ask for it; some of the wage slaves don't know it exists.

[cryptoknight]

Kinkos has a form you can sign that says that they're indemnified from fault and that you state that you own the pdf file and have the right to make a hard copy back up. You might have to ask for it; some of the wage slaves don't know it exists.

That's a very good tip... thanks!

I was a bit put off at their $0.49/page for color prices... I know what it costs them... typical high quality copiers cost about $.03/page color. I'd have happily paid as much as $.10/page... instead I got black and white. But at least now I can curl up somewhere and read arsenal instead of squinting at a PC and getting neck strain.

[deek]

That's a very good tip... thanks!

I was a bit put off at their $0.49/page for color prices... I know what it costs them... typical high quality copiers cost about $.03/page color. I'd have happily paid as much as $.10/page... instead I got black and white. But at least now I can curl up somewhere and read arsenal instead of squinting at a PC and getting neck strain.

Funny, I did the exact same thing last week. It only cost me $20 to print...B&W pages, coil bound, clear vinyl front cover and thick black cardstock back cover. I could have spent a $1 more to get the first page i.e. cover, printed in cover, but didn't really care to.

[deek]

lifestyle ftw!

(honestly, who wants to nickel and dime this sort of thing? just either charge them a flat rate added to their lifestyle cost if their lifestyle is too low to include a vehicle, or consider it part of their lifestyle, imo)

I'm not wanting to nickel and dime it, especially seeing that most of the time runners are in the city and there doesn't need to be any refueling. I'm thinking more of some longer, wilderness treks. I mean, if we really didn't need to worry about this sort of thing, why then even have a 6 hour operating time?

I don't roll too much into lifestyle besides food, shelter and living amenities (e.g. furnishings, clothing, entertainment). It just seems that this was a glaring omission...I mean, we don't even get a recharge time or something? I mean, once that 6 hours is up...is the vehicle just dead if its outside of the city, or can it gimp along with solar power or something?

[cryptoknight]

Funny, I did the exact same thing last week. It only cost me $20 to print...B&W pages, coil bound, clear vinyl front cover and thick black cardstock back cover. I could have spent a $1 more to get the first page i.e. cover, printed in cover, but didn't really care to.

No that's what I went with... White front and back, with the cover printed in color, contents black and white, coil bound. ... My original attempt had been to have the entire book printed in color....

[BlackHat]

I'm not wanting to nickel and dime it, especially seeing that most of the time runners are in the city and there doesn't need to be any refueling. I'm thinking more of some longer, wilderness treks. I mean, if we really didn't need to worry about this sort of thing, why then even have a 6 hour operating time?

I don't roll too much into lifestyle besides food, shelter and living amenities (e.g. furnishings, clothing, entertainment). It just seems that this was a glaring omission...I mean, we don't even get a recharge time or something? I mean, once that 6 hours is up...is the vehicle just dead if its outside of the city, or can it gimp along with solar power or something?

If its got the SunCell modification it can. Otherwise it plays out just like in real life if you neglect to put fuel in your car. Somebody has to get a ride or walk to a gas station and pick some up and bring it back. I wouldn't worry about the negligible cost of a tank of gas at a time like that, but the trek could be fun.

In any case, before the team leaves town, assume they either fill up, or have been running off of the GridLink and are at full power and gas (especially since most engines are hybrid and use electricity in the city). They now have 6 hours to get back to civilization, or find a fuel-station. The actual cost of gas/power doesn't really come into play (unless they're all living street-level lifestyles... in which case, they're lucky to have car), but the operation time does. Its your call if you want ot send them somewhere where they can't find any gas, so that the operation time causes them to get stuck - but I don't see how the price of gas matters in the least. They can either find it, or they can't.

[deek]

I guess that is what I will have to do then...is that what most GMs do with ammo as well, basically let the runners have as much as they need, as long as they can find it?

Sorry, I'm being stubborn here, but with the variety of different vehicles, and the half page of fluff on propulsion methods, it just seems like details on fuel is missing. I mean, I don't view fuel any different than bullets, and we have tons of content on ammo...anyways, I guess I will either abstract it and hand-wave to the players or just create my own parameters that make sense...

[hobgoblin]

different ammo gives different effects, fuel is fuel. and i wonder how many used the optional rules for fuel in rigger3...

[MaxHunter]

Something interesting with ammo happened in my games. After a while the runners realized how much they were spending on lead and started using normal rounds for everything not life-threatening or too specific.

I translate "r" as a 20% markup and "f" as a 50% markup, also normally availability increases cost by a 10% every 4 point increments. Except when there is a real hurry, then I use the book rules. Many other in-game factors (loyalty, opportunity, etc.) However a Predator clip of APDS rounds is about 150 / 200 Y

As one of the characters said: "It's like shooting them with nuyen"

Cheers!

Max

[BlackHat]

Bullets are also not a common expense that would fall under one's lifestyle. Filling up the tank occasionally is. The average person doesn't factor in a clip of ammo every week into their lifestyle budget.

It works the other way, too. If the amount of gas they're planning to use up goes above and beyond what normal people plan for, make up a price.
If you team has to go on a cross-country joyride in a gas-hog RV, you could calculate the cost of gas... but you'd basically be pulling the number out of thin air, anyway.

I guess I think of it in real life. I don't even think about the fact that I go through about a tank of gas a week. I just refill it occasionally and move on. However, if I had to drive to California or something (I leave on the other coast) I would certainly have to consider the amount of money I would be burning up in gas. I would come up with some approximation of gas-prices across the country and my miles-per-gallon and estimate that the trip would cost me X. Then I can make the decision about whether or not I still want to go.

[Ryu]

We never played with fuel rules in SR, in no edition. I´ve also stopped to consider long-term ammo tracking. Only the player with daily automatics training routine for his char pays a bit more lifestyle. With payouts of 20k¥, any player can have any ammo he wants (except grenades, rockets, and special ammo (yet-to-come-up gauss rifle slugs etc). And AV ammo will also have to stay excepted, I want it to be available at special occasions only.

[cryptoknight]

We never played with fuel rules in SR, in no edition. I´ve also stopped to consider long-term ammo tracking. Only the player with daily automatics training routine for his char pays a bit more lifestyle. With payouts of 20k¥, any player can have any ammo he wants (except grenades, rockets, and special ammo (yet-to-come-up gauss rifle slugs etc). And AV ammo will also have to stay excepted, I want it to be available at special occasions only.

That's a pretty cool idea... do you make them track how much ammo they carry at least? I have to agree that ammo tracking can be a pain.

[deek]

@BlackHat

Thanks for your insight...yeah, I pretty much am in that same boat...if I really need a gas price, I'll make it up. Granted, I am not thinking this will be a big deal and may not even come up...so, I'm over it:)

Ammo Tracking...it is a pain, that is why the players do it and not me:)

[Stahlseele]

i have yet to actually run where i need to reload . . okay, i carry at least 3 guns but still *g*