Talk to me about Augmented Reality Options

[Kanada Ten]

They sort of mention this under "feedback clothing" but don't forget that AR gloves provide data on things you pick-up or touch and have a device rating of 3, in addition to allowing one to interact with AROs without the dangers of DNI. However, I really don't understand to pricing of SR4 gear.

I can't find anything to indicate that trodes allow DNI, which means you could be using AR gloves to interact with AR and control your commlink unless you had a datajack or such... Am I missing it?

[Abbandon]

I dont really get what your asking Kanada but....

To avoid having to worry about black ic programs you have to roll with:
Commlink + AR Gloves + Sound/Sight/Taste/Touch links for the things you want to experience, thus bypassing your brain. (touch/taste would be bad).

pg318 Sim Module: sim modules must be accessed with trodes or DNI(datajack, implanted commlink, etc)
pg318 Trodes: trodes are used WITH sim modules.

Any of that help ?

[Kanada Ten]

Actually, Blackhammer and Blackout never affect AR users, BTL enabled or not. Sr page 226, last line under Blackhammer: "It has no effect on programs, agents, IC or spirtes, nor will it affect AR users."

However, to control a commlink via DNI, you must have a DNI communication device, and trodes do not function as a DNI device, rather they only transmit data to the brain, they don't read it. Which means you have to control your commlink manually unless you have a datajack, implanted commlink, a simrig, or similar.

[edit] Page 229 muddles the issue, but it never states that using trodes is a pure DNI experience.

[Maelwys]

Actually, Blackhammer and Blackout never affect AR users, BTL enabled or not. Sr page 226, last line under Blackhammer: "It has no effect on programs, agents, IC or spirtes, nor will it affect AR users."

Well, this definitely encourages the use of trodes and what not.

However, to control a commlink via DNI, you must have a DNI communication device, and trodes do not function as a DNI device, rather they only transmit data to the brain, they don't read it. Which means you have to control your commlink manually unless you have a datajack, implanted commlink, a simrig, or similar.

[edit] Page 229 muddles the issue, but it never states that using trodes is a pure DNI experience.

See, thats what I've always wondered about, and part of the problem (actually, part of a major problem with SR4 where they just don't explain enough sometimes).

Do trode rigs allow 2 way communication? Obviously they can transmit data to the brain, but what reason is there to assume that they can't read it?

[hobgoblin]

However, to control a commlink via DNI, you must have a DNI communication device, and trodes do not function as a DNI device, rather they only transmit data to the brain, they don't read it. Which means you have to control your commlink manually unless you have a datajack, implanted commlink, a simrig, or similar.

[edit] Page 229 muddles the issue, but it never states that using trodes is a pure DNI experience.

the ting about that trode is that it allows for full VR. and when using VR, you cant use manual controls (or at least not with ease. one can always kill that pesky RAS override).

and to me at least its enough of a indication that trodes must allow for DNI.

[Kanada Ten]

Do trode rigs allow 2 way communication? Obviously they can transmit data to the brain, but what reason is there to assume that they can't read it?

See, I've always argued that trodes can read brainwaves, but check out the description of them in the Matrix section's glossary (er, don't have my book right now, but when I was reading it last night it sounded very one directional).

the ting about that trode is that it allows for full VR. and when using VR, you cant use manual controls (or at least not with ease. one can always kill that pesky RAS override).

And then you really have to wonder how an external simrig works with trodes, as well...

[Maelwys]

See, I've always argued that trodes can read brainwaves, but check out the description of them in the Matrix section's glossary (er, don't have my book right now, but when I was reading it last night it sounded very one directional).


And then you really have to wonder how an external simrig works with trodes, as well...

Well, I guess we could look at it this way.

Trodes are 50 nuyen
External Simrigs are 1000 nuyen (and incorporate a sim module, so figure 900 for the simrig alone).

So an 850 nuyen difference between the two. Its possible that that difference is what lets the external simrig read and record the data, while the trodes at 50 are just "Senders." The fact that the Trodes are small enough to wear under a headband/whatever could also be what limits them to just being senders, but the simrig makes no mention of how big it is, so that isn't definitive.

If trodes can only send, then AR gloves might make sense. AR gloves+trode net would allow you have all your senses utilized by AR, and allow you to respond to cues with the gloves, and for only 300. A datajack, which since its specifically DNI, would allow you to recieve simsense, and respond to AR cues (such as click here to order) mentally (I think anyway) at 500 nuyen, so the 200 savings would then make AR gloves+trodes a legitimate purchase.