 Quick Draw, How fast/how easy? |
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 Jan 30 2008, 11:09 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Iowa, United States Member No.: 9,720  |
Ok, I'm trying to make the quick draw adept gunslinger. Questions I'm running into. Quick Draw
Ok, so we flip to pg 141, and it basically explains splitting your dice pool. Do you have to split your dice pool for drawing two weapons as well as suffer the +1 to the threshold for both weapons? Or is the page reference just for the subject of firing the weapons? Quick Draw Adept Power Seems to lower the threshold by 1 for the most part, so stack that on top of quick draw holsters (-1), and drawing two weapons (+1).. Draw both weapons with a threshold of 2 for each? I think I'm interpreting this correctly. I don't care about points and how they could be better used, this is for a concept after all... Just questions on these rules. And for fun, here's another part though its a GM conversation I have to have yet Pistols (Quick Draw Specialization) Specialization bonus applies to the drawing of the pistols, as well as all shots fired in the first turn after a quick draw. EDIT: Turn (SR4), not Round (D&D) :P |
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Jan 30 2008, 11:32 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No. You only split the Dice Pool to use the weapons.
As far as I know, that is corrct. That's how it works in my games.
Not a fan, but if you like it, that's cool. |
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Jan 31 2008, 04:11 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Another note, if I were your GM, if you could get your DP above 4xthreshold I'd be perfectly happy to allow you to buy hits on quickdraw tests. They might come up if you were wounded or suffering lots of other penalties, but in general I'd rather let you buy hits and just say you quickdraw whenever you want, rather than bogging the game down with quickdraw rolls, even though quickdrawing with a DP of 8 against a threshold of 2 is neither a very large pool nor a non-stressful situation. (as normally required to buy hits)
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Jan 31 2008, 04:13 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
I think it's a nifty idea, but change "round" into "pass". (IMO) But beware, it still leads to potential weirdness such as reholstering your weapons in the middle of a fight just so you can get a bonus to your next shot. |
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Jan 31 2008, 05:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Iowa, United States Member No.: 9,720 |
I thought about pass... but the idea is the unpreparedness of others. It lasts for a turn so he could really mess up someone or a group of someones with only 1 pass. And considering base rules would allow me to take "Heavy Pistol", I think its pretty fair at a single turn.
You could reholster the guns, but I'm not into that type of rules exploiting. My vision of this is more of throwing off your opponents by the "Wow" factor of going from unarmed to dual wielding Ruger Super Warhawks (btw Arsenal have a better 6-shooter?). This would of course be better done as penalty to opponents, but thats not how specialization works. But as such it would only work once per combat, or in a diminishing returns if you're doing it repeatedly against someone. Thought about challenging a throwing adept (without quick draw power), If beat him in initiative, hold action to disarm shot whenever he goes to pull a knife. Could holster when he has nothing, but it'd be less and less surprising as he keeps making the shot. FYI Moonhawk - Its actually based off of Roland. Edit: Turn (SR4), not Round (D&D) :P |
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Jan 31 2008, 06:00 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Well, at the very least you should put it into some kind of SR terms. Maybe you meant a "turn", because I don't have any idea what a "round" is, because we're not playing D&D. :P Otherwise someone might reasonably conclude that you're referring to a single round of ammunition. /nitpick Yeah, it's a matter of game balance. I suppose given the other Pistol specializations a turn isn't unreasonable. And I'll just say again that Roland is awesome. one sec, I'll check Arsenal for ya... edit: Okay, there's a heavy pistol revolver that has standard heavy pistol damage, but SA rather than SS. If you've got the DP for splitting, that might be a good idea. And it's actually a 7-shooter. |
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Jan 31 2008, 06:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Iowa, United States Member No.: 9,720 |
Has the dice pool (12 on quickdraw shot, 14 dice to actually draw), but SS will be fine enough. I prefer the old fashioned look and for an adept the less high tech the weaponry the more fitting I think.
If you use a Take Aim action does it apply bonus to both pistols, dice pool before split, or not usable with two weapons? Likewise could he use his Vision Magnification Adept Power for both. I don't see why he couldn't unless he was trying to shoot multiple targets, but wondered if anyone else had tried. |
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Jan 31 2008, 06:20 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,811 |
I really like the idea of a quick draw spec and agree that given the specs of heavy pistol or SA, an entire turn of the +2 is very tame by comparison.
Also, I have a player with a Cuthbert char in one of my games :P |
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Jan 31 2008, 06:33 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Quickdraw is for amateurs, anyway.
Professionals learn to Ready Weapon as a Free Action. |
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Jan 31 2008, 07:53 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,526 Joined: 9-April 06 From: McGuire AFB, NJ Member No.: 8,445 |
True Professionals learn that ambushing is better than either Quickdraw or Ready Weapon. :P |
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