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Ian Argent
post Feb 3 2008, 02:54 PM
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Were I to find the need for it, I'd add a AP bonus to Dikoted blades. (I never liked nor allowed dikoted firearms ammo, so that point is moot). But I'm not missing it either.
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post Feb 3 2008, 03:36 PM
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Dikote was awful and I'm glad it's dead.

I no longer have to worry about players dikoting mundane surfaces to use as impenatrable fortresses of DOOOM.

And yeah, figuring out surface area to calculate cost was a huge pain.
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post Feb 3 2008, 06:32 PM
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But...

But............

How can you be a flytastic pimp if you don't have a dikoted car, a dikoted fortress, a dikoted Ally Spirit in the form of a girlfriend/katana, and a dikoted toilet seat?
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post Feb 3 2008, 07:10 PM
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meh, just get a imped out car, a flying drone slivergun, and a ally task spirit girlfriend (free guess on the kind of task (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).
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post Feb 3 2008, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 3 2008, 07:10 PM) *
meh, just get a imped out car, a flying drone slivergun, and a ally task spirit girlfriend (free guess on the kind of task (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ).


Is that a single skill or is it a skill group? Or is it even just a speciality, in which case what's the base skill? ???
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post Feb 3 2008, 07:33 PM
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yarr, i think that if anything, dikoting would increase the AP and decrease the DV, since one presumes that dikoting negates any expansion properties a bullet may have.

edit: and, hey, look at that, my reply is a page late.
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (mfb @ Feb 4 2008, 06:33 AM) *
yarr, i think that if anything, dikoting would increase the AP and decrease the DV, since one presumes that dikoting negates any expansion properties a bullet may have.


Never bothered to go the dikoted bullet route. I always figured it woud be rather wasteful. Melee weapons and armor though ...
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 3 2008, 07:36 AM) *
Dikote was awful and I'm glad it's dead.

I no longer have to worry about players dikoting mundane surfaces to use as impenatrable fortresses of DOOOM.

And yeah, figuring out surface area to calculate cost was a huge pain.
...I have to agree, could never figure out how much was needed and just said frag here's five thousand for my Katana that should cover it. The one limit it had (that I saw few GMs enforce) though was you could only use it on materials which could withstand the extremely high bonding temperature so blades and other hardened metallic objects were about the only items that could receive the process. Lead would melt so dikoting most bullets was a moot point and even then it had to be done before the slug and shell casing were mated or the rounds would cook off.

Yeah there are other ways to deal with the things Dikote could do. You want to cut through a Vehicle's armour or reinforced door, just get a vibro or monfilament blade (oh and I'm pleased they didn't include the Laser Crescent axe, that was a laughable weapon just by it's description).

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post Feb 3 2008, 10:32 PM
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The one thing I preferably used Dikote for was improving cyberspurs. You could probably use a chemical gland to coat the blades with a nice and deadly toxin now but that's a moot point if you build the spurs into a cyberarm.
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:43 PM
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I could probably come up with a couple of different ways to have Dikote in the system (an additional -1 or -2 to AP jumps to mind) but honestly, I don't miss it.
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (It trolls! @ Feb 3 2008, 11:32 PM) *
The one thing I preferably used Dikote for was improving cyberspurs. You could probably use a chemical gland to coat the blades with a nice and deadly toxin now but that's a moot point if you build the spurs into a cyberarm.


isnt there a chemical dispenser for use in cyberlimbs and similar that can do just that?
hell, put a couple of them in there, and if the gm allows it you can swap between them (most likely by retracting and extending the blades to clean of the old and apply the new).
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Feb 3 2008, 02:32 PM) *
a dikoted Ally Spirit in the form of a girlfriend/katana


No way. You're supposed to get the dikoted ally spirit in the form of an Ares Viper Slivergun. That's just the rule around here. Don't worry about the fact that it's not in the form of a girlfriend; you can still have sex with it.

I hated dikote so much. It was ten times worse than anything the government's ever done. I knew a guy once who convinced a GM to let him dikote bullets, which illustrates a silly point: the damage bonus was a flat increase. The bonus you got for dikoting a bullet was the exact same as for dikoting a kitana. Theoretically, if you had an object that somehow was able to resist the high temperatures of the process, yet had a damage code of "nothing," suddenly it would do a bit of damage. Just talking about dikote angries up my blood.
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post Feb 3 2008, 11:18 PM
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Dikote was the Firepower ammunition for Blades - needed because the basics were just wrong.
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post Feb 3 2008, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Feb 4 2008, 09:50 AM) *
You're supposed to get the dikoted ally spirit in the form of an Ares Viper Slivergun.


Noob! It's an Ares Viper Silvergun! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 3 2008, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Feb 4 2008, 10:18 AM) *
Dikote was the Firepower ammunition for Blades - needed because the basics were just wrong.


Except that it was always meant to work on some club-like weapons and certain armors as well.
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post Feb 4 2008, 03:34 PM
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I always thought that since Dikote was a crystal layer on your weapon, it would put an incredibly sharp, incredibly fragile edge on your weapon.

Just off the top of my head, I would say +1DV, -1 AV to the weapon, but if you ever fail to do damage on a hit, the diamond edge shatters, leaving the normal edge.
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post Feb 4 2008, 03:50 PM
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A diamond's structure is really only vulnerable on a particular plane. Other than breaking one up is tremendously difficult.
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post Feb 4 2008, 06:18 PM
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Dikote is actually pretty worthless. It's just an incredible marketing campaign by the DeBeers AA Corporation that makes people think it's valuable.
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post Feb 4 2008, 06:38 PM
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There are methods for surface hardening. Tried and true methods. Dikote would not really work, and I am glad that it is gone. I always saw it as kind of technomagical "+1 to any item" thing.

But noone blame DeBeers please. They have to do something with those hundreds of tons of diamonds.
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