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post Nov 30 2003, 02:08 PM
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Right, every year or so this crops up in my game and I've already ruled on it, but I always bring it up on DSF to get other people's opinions on the subject. Normally the debate gets heated but it's almost always productive.

The issue that came up is: Does a Critter's natural (non-hardened) armor help it in a (Physical) Spell Resistance Test?

I've ruled that it does, however there are obviously other possible interpretations.

My reasoning is simple. We all know that worn armor doesn't reduce a Spell's Power during the (Physical) Spell Resistance Test, according to canon it is bypassed because it is not part of Target (or to be specific, it is not an integral part of the targeted aura).

Accordingly - and I believe everyone agrees on this - a Troll's natural dermal armor (+1 to Body) does helps it resist Physical Combat Spells (he rolls that extra die). The same should hold true for a Street Samurai using implanted Dermal Armor (for which he paid for with his Essence). If both implanted and natural Dermal armor counts then why wouldn't Orthoskin. And to address the original issue: why wouldn't a (normal) armadillo's or rhino's (and yes, a dragon's) inate and integral armor do the same for them?
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- Synner   Critter Armor in Spell Resistance   Nov 30 2003, 02:08 PM
- - 6thDragon   After a brief check through the rules I couldn...   Nov 30 2003, 02:44 PM
- - mfb   i wouldn't count orthoskin because the mechani...   Nov 30 2003, 02:47 PM
- - Synner   Let's try to keep the natural and cyber-based ...   Nov 30 2003, 03:01 PM
- - Tanka   A critter's armor would, because it is part of...   Nov 30 2003, 03:30 PM
- - Synner   You do have a point there. However my players an...   Nov 30 2003, 05:36 PM
- - El_Machinae   Ah, your kung-fu is strong. Your verbal prestige ...   Nov 30 2003, 05:39 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Dermal Armor specificially boosts a troll's Bo...   Nov 30 2003, 05:53 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Synner @ Nov 30 2003, 11:36 AM) ...in ...   Nov 30 2003, 05:55 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 05:5...   Nov 30 2003, 06:40 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (Synner) Both are specifically noted as not ...   Nov 30 2003, 06:48 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Actually, you're quite wrong. Shadowrun 3rd E...   Nov 30 2003, 06:53 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Synner)The issue that came up is: Does a Cr...   Nov 30 2003, 06:58 PM
- - Tanka   As to the point of the Dzoo losing the extra body ...   Nov 30 2003, 07:14 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 06:5...   Nov 30 2003, 07:19 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   The major point you're missing with your ratio...   Nov 30 2003, 07:25 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 07:2...   Nov 30 2003, 08:01 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Synner) I never said astral combat provided...   Nov 30 2003, 08:24 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doc Funkenstein)QUOTE (Synner) I never said...   Nov 30 2003, 09:24 PM
- - Glyph   You can try and justify it all you want, but if yo...   Nov 30 2003, 09:45 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE You can try and justify it all you want, but...   Nov 30 2003, 10:06 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Strict intreptation? Yes, I can see how reading ...   Nov 30 2003, 10:45 PM
- - Synner   As should be obvious from the quote preceeding it,...   Nov 30 2003, 10:58 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Point to one example where I said a troll's de...   Nov 30 2003, 11:02 PM
- - OurTeam   Long ago I noticed that awakened critters were way...   Nov 30 2003, 11:08 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 11:0...   Nov 30 2003, 11:11 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Long ago I noticed that awakened critters we...   Nov 30 2003, 11:12 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 11:1...   Nov 30 2003, 11:21 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Synner) I'm sorry you don't agree w...   Nov 30 2003, 11:24 PM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 30 2003, 11:2...   Nov 30 2003, 11:47 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Apologies, for a while there I thought your ...   Dec 1 2003, 12:41 AM
- - Zazen   It sounds like combat spells should ignore all for...   Dec 1 2003, 12:51 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   And I agree that it should. But as far as the rul...   Dec 1 2003, 12:56 AM
- - Synner   QUOTE QUOTE Apologies, for a while there I thought...   Dec 1 2003, 01:00 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) And I agree that it sho...   Dec 1 2003, 01:11 AM
- - Glyph   But things like dermal armor, dermal sheathing, an...   Dec 1 2003, 01:16 AM
- - Tanka   All spells that target one being create an alignme...   Dec 1 2003, 01:21 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Glyph) QUOTE Dermal armor works against any...   Dec 1 2003, 01:23 AM
- - Glyph   Zazen: I guess the question then becomes "How...   Dec 1 2003, 06:09 AM
- - Fortune   Or you could look at it as being exactly what it s...   Dec 1 2003, 06:17 AM
- - Zazen   That assumes that the ruling for combat spells is ...   Dec 1 2003, 06:45 AM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (Glyph) I prefer the first option, though. ...   Dec 1 2003, 06:59 AM
- - mfb   if it adds body, it's effective against combat...   Dec 1 2003, 07:10 AM
- - Zazen   There is nothing to say that the line is drawn the...   Dec 1 2003, 02:01 PM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (Glyph) ...btw, tanka, do you have any rules...   Dec 1 2003, 02:08 PM
- - mfb   Dermal Armor is not armor. it's called armor, ...   Dec 1 2003, 02:09 PM
- - Zazen   Ahh, but now you must show me where armor is defin...   Dec 1 2003, 02:35 PM
- - Namer18   The main book goes on to specifically quote what t...   Dec 1 2003, 02:38 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (mfb)Dermal Armor is not armor. it's cal...   Dec 1 2003, 04:40 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Dermal armor is very specificly allowed to negate ...   Dec 1 2003, 04:44 PM
- - Synner   Let's just settle that the issue is not Dermal...   Dec 1 2003, 06:26 PM
- - TinkerGnome   An even simpler point needs to be covered, though....   Dec 1 2003, 06:39 PM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (TinkerGnome)Dermal armor is very specificly...   Dec 1 2003, 07:32 PM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Cochise)Would you mind giving a quote from ...   Dec 1 2003, 07:46 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Shadowrun 3rd Edition, page 283, "Armor:...   Dec 1 2003, 08:00 PM
- - TinkerGnome   Good quote DF. I reverse my earlier statement. D...   Dec 1 2003, 08:03 PM
- - Zazen   QUOTE (TinkerGnome @ Dec 1 2003, 11:44 AM) De...   Dec 1 2003, 08:09 PM
- - Synner   Great quote Doc, and one that settles the dermal a...   Dec 1 2003, 11:34 PM
- - snowRaven   There is only one problem with Doctor Funkenstein...   Dec 2 2003, 10:59 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Which again, suggests to me that they were trying ...   Dec 3 2003, 12:14 AM
- - OurTeam   That line in the Critter's Book (page 19, bott...   Dec 3 2003, 12:32 AM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (OurTeam)That line in the Critter's Book...   Dec 3 2003, 12:33 PM


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