Fake License's And Cert. Cred, Questions about the above Options

[Oni]

SR4 p322 Street Gear

You can buy a fake lisense for things like hunting, concealed carry, spellcasting and restricted items.
So what kind of lisenses would there be? I know that the sample gunslinger adept starts with a fake detective lisense and the occult investigator has a fake press lisense... but what else would there be?

Would you need a lisense for every item that is restricted as well? Would there be any lisenses that would encompass more than one area?

Wile i understand that a shadowrunners very existance is illegal I'm interestend in creating a character with at least one fairly ironclad identity.

Also you can buy Certified Credsticks.... does this mean that you can start the game with pockets full of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) that you would have spent during character creation?

Give me what ya got, the more the better. House rules, oppinions, anything.....

[ShadowDragon8685]

SR4 p322 Street Gear

You can buy a fake lisense for things like hunting, concealed carry, spellcasting and restricted items.
So what kind of lisenses would there be? I know that the sample gunslinger adept starts with a fake detective lisense and the occult investigator has a fake press lisense... but what else would there be?

Pretty much anything you can think of.

Would you need a lisense for every item that is restricted as well? Would there be any lisenses that would encompass more than one area?

It's pretty much a liscence-as-you-go. Need a liscence for every gun, every restricted item, etcetera.

Wile i understand that a shadowrunners very existance is illegal I'm interestend in creating a character with at least one fairly ironclad identity.

As every Shadowrunner should be.

Also you can buy Certified Credsticks.... does this mean that you can start the game with pockets full of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) that you would have spent during character creation?

No. You can buy the certified credsticks, but they'll be empty. Otherwise you could just bypass the rules about dividing leftover chargen cash.

Give me what ya got, the more the better. House rules, oppinions, anything.....

See above. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Oni]

any ideal on how to handle a legit lisenses for legit SINs?

[Kyoto Kid]

...so if you have multiples of the same class of gun (e.g pistols - two Super Warhawks and two Taurus 6s) you need licenses for each of them and not just the standard firearms or concealed firearms permit?

[djinni]

any ideal on how to handle a legit lisenses for legit SINs?

the same way you handle a legit SIN.

yes one license one gun.
in addition you have to have a license for each "bending" of the law you do with that gun as well

[kzt]

Or you can assume that everyone does what seem like the most common way it is currently done in the US. YOU have a license to carry a pistol and they don't really carry which one it is.

Heck, just make a fake ID as an FBI agent from NYC or somewhere a long way away, that provides all the gun permit you need.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Or you can assume that everyone does what seem like the most common way it is currently done in the US. YOU have a license to carry a pistol and they don't really carry which one it is.

Heck, just make a fake ID as an FBI agent from NYC or somewhere a long way away, that provides all the gun permit you need.

Your brain privledges are revoked for the night. Clearly, you have contracted the stupid.


Faking an ID badge for an agency of the UCAS Federal Government is a fast-track to having that agency itself investigating you, because not only will anyone who checks your fake ID bounce it against their databse (and come back negative), but the Agency's database will raise a flag that there's fake agent in Seattle.

[Jaid]

fake licenses are inserted into the appropriate databases, otherwise they would be completely and utterly useless no matter what kind of license they are.

[kzt]

Hey, they claim that the fake IDs are made by people who have hacked the databases used by the UCAS to check IDs, which is why they work to fool cops. Hence a fake FBI badge and ID should be just as valid as any other ID.

Those darn hackers are hard to keep out, after all.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ShadowDragon8685]

There's a large difference between hacking a citizenship database and the FBI's database of it's agents. If a hacker had gotten into that, it would be Lights Out.

[kzt]

In terms of the game, what is the difference? They have to be able to modify all sorts of controlled access LE databases (in ways that the databased in expressly designed to prevent) to swap biometric data.

BTW, I'm not advocating this, I'm actually an advocate of the idea that trying to be sinless is stupid, because once you get biometric credentials in the database the first time you now have a permanent SIN tied to those credentials. Forever.

[Ravor]

Personally I'm in favor of leaving the various permits rather open, for example, a weapons permit allows you to carry whatever legal weapon that you want to carry (Otherwise the crowd scenes where it seems almost everyone is packing makes little sense.), and a character only needs one cyberware license for each SIN provided that it gets updated for each implant.

Of course, just because you aren't actually breaking the law by walking down main street with a pistol slung low on your hip doesn't mean that Lone Star won't escort you into a back alley and beat you for "resisting arrest".

[Fortune]

Personally I'm in favor of leaving the various permits rather open, for example, a weapons permit allows you to carry whatever legal weapon that you want to carry (Otherwise the crowd scenes where it seems almost everyone is packing makes little sense.), and a character only needs one cyberware license for each SIN provided that it gets updated for each implant.

That's how I've always run things.

[Fortinbras]

Personally I'm in favor of leaving the various permits rather open, for example, a weapons permit allows you to carry whatever legal weapon that you want to carry (Otherwise the crowd scenes where it seems almost everyone is packing makes little sense.), and a character only needs one cyberware license for each SIN provided that it gets updated for each implant.

It is fairly common in Texas, when there is a public robbery, like a restaurant or the like, for some random guy to pull out a piece and shoot the suspects. We have rather loose Concealed & Carry laws. In fact in another game there is a rule that if you start a firefight in Austin there is a chance that 2d6 -2 good ol' boys will start firing as well. I got my first gun as a present on my tenth birthday. I still have 8mm of my 5 year old mother firing an old .22 rifle. Firearms are, have always been and will always be a part of the American landscape.

That being said, as a 20 something male, if I am caught with a firearm on the streets, I will go to jail. Period. I may not stay there and the charges may not stick according to my permit, but law enforcement would rather be safe than sorry and would just as soon taught my gun carrying butt to jail as look at me, legal arrest or no.

A 40-something, SINed human could walk away from a Lone Star officer with a licensed permit on a 22R firearm with a decent Charisma roll, but a poorly dressed troll in the wrong part of town in the middle of the night without a SIN is going to be handcuffed, taken into a ditch and shot.

There is law in the Sixth World, but there is no justice. Only money and power make any difference and you should adjust the rules of your game accordingly. If your SINless troll of the party gets caught by the Star and the elf shaman can't bail him out, just find a way to make it worth the officer's while to let them go. Think more "The Shield" and less "Law & Order"

[djinni]

It is fairly common in Texas, when there is a public robbery, like a restaurant or the like, for some random guy to pull out a piece and shoot the suspects. We have rather loose Concealed & Carry laws. In fact in another game there is a rule that if you start a firefight in Austin there is a chance that 2d6 -2 good ol' boys will start firing as well. I got my first gun as a present on my tenth birthday. I still have 8mm of my 5 year old mother firing an old .22 rifle. Firearms are, have always been and will always be a part of the American landscape.

no they don't, the stereotypes of texans are far from the average citizen you meet on a daily basis.

That being said, as a 20 something male, if I am caught with a firearm on the streets, I will go to jail. Period. I may not stay there and the charges may not stick according to my permit, but law enforcement would rather be safe than sorry and would just as soon taught my gun carrying butt to jail as look at me, legal arrest or no.

again no you won't, if you are not concealing your weapon and have a legal firearm you will just get hassled not arrested.
if you are concealing then you'd have your conceal license on you, and would have already informed the police officer that you are carrying (as you are instructed to do during your training), and you again not get arrested.

[Cthulhudreams]

In terms of the game, what is the difference? They have to be able to modify all sorts of controlled access LE databases (in ways that the databased in expressly designed to prevent) to swap biometric data.

BTW, I'm not advocating this, I'm actually an advocate of the idea that trying to be sinless is stupid, because once you get biometric credentials in the database the first time you now have a permanent SIN tied to those credentials. Forever.

I've always wondered about this. I rationalized it as the fakes were CLOSE to what you had, but they were different with a full on check - so it would validate on bad gear, but not on good gear.

[djinni]

I've always wondered about this. I rationalized it as the fakes were CLOSE to what you had, but they were different with a full on check - so it would validate on bad gear, but not on good gear.

since the fakes need to be associated with a fake SIN, whatever fake database the SIN redirects it to confirming the license would hold up only so far as the SIN...even depending on your campaign even bad gear can see through the smoke and mirrors

[Ravor]

That being said, as a 20 something male, if I am caught with a firearm on the streets, I will go to jail. Period. I may not stay there and the charges may not stick according to my permit, but law enforcement would rather be safe than sorry and would just as soon taught my gun carrying butt to jail as look at me, legal arrest or no.

*Shrugs* That isn't the case where I live, here there is nothing preventing a man from walking all over mainstreet openly packing. In fact a guy I once knew did that to prove a point and all the police could do was follow him.

Then again, once a new transfer from the West Coast tried to give me a ticket for having a firearm sitting on my front seat while I was parked infront of the courthouse, but he backed away after I offered to call the Sherriff and have him explain the local laws to him.

There is law in the Sixth World, but there is no justice. Only money and power make any difference and you should adjust the rules of your game accordingly. If your SINless troll of the party gets caught by the Star and the elf shaman can't bail him out, just find a way to make it worth the officer's while to let them go. Think more "The Shield" and less "Law & Order"

*Chuckles* I take it you haven't read my posts about the nature of the Sixth World, I'm the guy that figgers the SINless who simply vanish are either sold to the corps as test subjects, sold to labor camps, organlegged, ect...