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 Dec 1 2003, 03:01 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499  |
Ok in YotC it says that to be a changling you have to spend 5 Bp's. Thats great if your using Bp's.
But waht happens if your not? How do you become a changling on the Priorities? Fortune (I think) suggested using edges/flaws, Ok got that, but is being a changling (on it's own) an edge or a flaw? Also how many edges/flaws are you/ would allow a changling character to have? Cos being a changling should allow you to have more IMHO. Because you are needing 2-4 flaws to make a "themed" changling, be it cat, dog or drake. [EDIT] can you see a common theme here[/EDIT] |
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Dec 1 2003, 03:06 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Unless your Gm demands that it be the only system used, why would you want to use the Priority system for this? The BP system is better for Changelings, as well as 'shifters.
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Dec 1 2003, 03:08 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
SURGEd trait costs would be balanced by flaws, but would not count against edge/flaw total IMO.
~J |
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Dec 1 2003, 03:10 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's fine, but what about the initial 5 BP cost to be SURGED in the first place?
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Dec 1 2003, 03:11 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
I ignore that rule. It's not really fair.
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Dec 1 2003, 03:14 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
I don't as such, i've used the Bp's system ever since it came out in SR2. It's just that i know a lot of people here think it does mages and adepts no favours even more so if there meta human (I haven't done the maths myself). but whats your opinion on what would be an ok number of flaws for the changling "part" of a character as opposed to a the character as a whole? [EDIT]
I agree considering the racism that should be applied to such characters |
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Dec 1 2003, 03:35 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
If you insist on using the Priority system, you could always just assign them 'D' in Race, which in the BP system is equivelant to 5 Points for Ork or Dwarf.
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Dec 1 2003, 03:51 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'd just include that as another cost that must be balanced by either negative SURGE traits or flaws.
~J |
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Dec 1 2003, 04:14 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
So you are saying that every single SURGED character has to have 5 more points worth of Flaws than Edges? Doesn't really sound like a fair deal to me. |
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Dec 1 2003, 04:25 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Spending five build points on it isn't exactly fair either.
~J |
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Dec 1 2003, 04:27 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
So it's pretty much as i thought the only real way of doing it is via Bp's (not that i have an issue with that). Though i do feel the "entry" cost is unfair but hey.
Ok how about the limit on edges/flaws? Would this be over the top? Changling edges and flaws Scales (all over) -2pt Altered Eye colour -1pt (yellowy green and blinks sideways) Altered Skin colour (dark green) -2pt Dual natured -5pt Claws (tho i would prefer climbing style claws from M&M) +2pt Prehensil tail +5pt Net gain of 4 points Then add Quickhealer +2pt Total pacifist -5pt Hunted lvl1 Nil pt Now assume all of this has approite background story for it. Opinions please |
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Dec 1 2003, 04:44 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
As I said earlier, you could always just use the 'D' race Priority for them. Is there anything in canon that states that the positive and negative aspects of SURGE have to balance each other out?
Then you could just describe them in that fashion. Not everyone that develops claws from SURGE has exactly the same kind. |
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Dec 1 2003, 04:51 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Actually, canon implies that they shouldn't balance each other out, I mean.
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Dec 1 2003, 05:27 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
The 5 BP cost to be a changeling isn't meant to be fair. It's meant to keep the number of changlings down. They're supposedly very rare, so what's the point in allowing them in if everyone takes them?
As for BPs with mages, you find a few instances where you get a better character from priorities. Though there are some characters which are impossible to create that way. |
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Dec 1 2003, 06:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
Build rules don't really do justice to making rare things rare. According to MitS only 1 out of every 100 people is awakened at all, and most of those are adepts or aspected, and on top of that almost all mages are scooped up by corps with only the smallest percentage of them working in the shadows. Based on that you should only actually see a magician at all once out of every 150 shadowruns or so but they tend to make up about 50% of all in-game shadowrunners and about 20% of corporate enforcers.
Also does anybody else think the build rules rather screw aspected magicians over? In general you have about 1/5 the magic options available and 1/5 the conjuring depending on your path. Yet it costs about 80% as much. Reasonably it should be way cheaper to encourage aspecteds, you almost never see them. |
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Dec 1 2003, 06:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
As far as I know, it states that the majority are full mages.
Nowhere does it state that the smallest percentage work the shadows. The shadows should have a higher percentage of awakened characters than the 1 per 100 would indicate, as magically active people that don't actually work for a corp would be drawn to the freedom that is available there.
So on average you only see two thirds of a person per run?
I think those percentages are a little high.
Hmmm. A Sorceror has access to all spellcasting abilities and spells. A Conjuror can summon any Spirit or Elemental that is appropriate to his outlook, be it Shamanic or Hermetic. The only thing they really lack is Astral projection. I don't think this could be called having access to only 1/5 of the magic options.
That is because they are not necessarily 'specialists' in their field, as opposed to being incomplete as far as Magic ability is concerned. they are not referred to as Groggies for no reason. |
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Dec 1 2003, 12:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It is never stated that most are full mages. Some may read it to imply that, but it merely says that out of the number of magicusers "another fraction" (not a direct quote, book elsewhere) are aspected or Adepts. That fraction could be 1/100, 1/2, or 99999999/100000000.
~J |
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Dec 1 2003, 10:14 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Actually, it says "a fraction", whic in normal usage means a small percentage of something. Either way, it still definitely does not say that full mages are in the minority. |
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