 Armor Creation System, A pointless waste of time. |
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 Dec 1 2003, 06:09 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-July 03 Member No.: 4,963  |
Random stuff: This is a quick and dirty system I whipped up in an evening but never got around to posting. This system is designed to replicate the SR armor as closely as possible. The restrictions in these rules are almost all utterly arbitrary, delete at your leisure. Some are neccessary from a balance point of view, unless you're OK with armor that is clearly better than the armor listed in the BBB.
Notice that there is nothing about availability or street index in this system. That is because availability and SI have no pattern to them whatsoever. Armor costs about the same under this system as it does under the normal system. Some cost a little more, some cost a little less. I could find no justification for how Secure armor was designed. Therefore, I assumed it must be a specific brand and diverged from the examples given. You could easily buff out this system by adding numerous brands to it. Maybe I will at some point in the future. Rules and Regulations: One armor rating cannot be more than double the other. Armor ratings cannot be equal. 4/4 is not ok, 4/3 is ok, 4/2 is ok, 4/1 is not. Any time you end up with a concealability of 12, raise it to 13. Always round down fractions. You cannot raise ballistic+impact to more than 8 without taking the Security Grade trait. You cannot raise ballastic or impact to more than 5 without taking the Security Grade feature. Armor begins with a conceal of 12. This armor would have a weight of 1 and either 2/1 or 1/2 for armor ratings. It would cost 200 nuyen. Features Coat: The armor provides +50% conceal to items concealed underneath it and raises the price by 100 nuyen. You cannot buy this trait if your ballistic or impact is greater than 4. Heavier Materials: For every .25 kg incease weight by, reduce the cost by 50 nuyen. You cannot take this feature more than four times. Improved Ballistic: For every 1 point you increase ballistic by, reduce its concealability by 1.5 points, increase its weight by .25 kg, and increase the cost by 150 nuyen Improved Impact: For every 1 point you increase impact by, reduce its concealability by .5 points, increase its weight by .25 kg, and increase the cost by 50 nuyen. Improved Conceal: For every 1 point you increase conceal by, increase the cost by 100 nuyen. You cannot buy this feature more than twice nor can it raise conceal to more than 15. Security Grade: Multiple the final price of the armor by 7. Multiply weight by 6. Security Grade armor cannot be layered with other armor. Security Grade armor can have various electronics installed in them. Molest your GM/Molest yourself, I'm not making a list. SecureTech Brand: Add 3 to an armors concealability, increase weight by .5, and reduce its cost by 50 nuyen. If the armor is a Coat, instead add 2 to the armors concealability and apply the rest of the modifiers. This type of armor cannot have the various armor modifications listed in the Cannon Companion added to it. Edit 1: Greater ballistic and impact now add weight to armor. This results in most armors ending up within .25-.5 of their BBB weight if you attempt to recreate them. Security grade increases weight now as it should have and cannot be layered with other armor. |
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Dec 1 2003, 06:28 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
One problem: The Form Fitting Body Armor Level 3 is 4/1. Other than that... It was too long to read. :D
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Dec 1 2003, 06:41 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
MegaSuperArmor Mk IA
2/1 + HeavyMat 64 + ImpBall 18 + ImpImp 9 + SecGrade Weight: 17kg Concealability: 0 Ball/Imp: 20/10 Price: 1,050 :nuyen: [I blame my inner munchkin] Umm... Yeah, the system is probably fine as long as you don't let players use it. And if you as the GM don't really consider it binding, either. |
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Dec 1 2003, 06:48 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I have noticed that armor tends to have an absolute maximum, usually around 6-8. I'd probably incorporate that in somehow unless you want people to build brick walls around themselves (after all, once you've lost all your combat pool, whats stopping you from putting a few more points of ballistic on?) Aside from that, it looks like it's nice for low level armor. I'd probably let my players use it for designing anything with armors level 5 or below.
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Dec 1 2003, 06:51 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Given the abstract and arbitrary manner in which the armor system was designed, assigning any kind of structured creation system seems more like wishful thinking. Between the existing samples of armor and the rules for meaningful upgrades, just allow players to tweak armor within reason (as defined by the GM). It'll save you a lot of headache. -Siege |
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Dec 1 2003, 06:55 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
17 kilos of armor? If SR had an even remotely realistic system for fatigue and I were GMing, I'd let you have it.
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Dec 1 2003, 07:00 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Honestly, this is true of most of the system. The armor's not significantly more abstract than the rest tends to be. That said, I completely agree that free creation within reason, vetted by a sensible GM is the best route. Creation systems are fun to mess around with, but are ultimately too constricting, are way too easily taken advantage of, and don't allow for quirky equipment, which is enjoyable. |
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Dec 1 2003, 07:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Tell that to the SCAdians. :grinbig: Too bad I never get to play, and my players have found out ages ago that packing loads of armor doesn't really help at all. But that isn't true for all games, so I decided to check what you can do with the proposed system. And Heavy Sec for a Body 4 guy weighs 17kg by canon anyway. Like someone said, up to Rating 5, I s'pose the system works. Though you might want to add something like a 0.25kg extra weight per point of additional armor. And, like people have also been saying, it's probably still better to just allow some customization of armor without any kind of rules for it. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Dec 1 2003, 07:22 PM |
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Dec 1 2003, 08:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-July 03 Member No.: 4,963 |
That was a concious choice. All of the CC armors, with the exception of maybe military grade, are useful primairily because of odd quirks that COULD be added to the system if it was REALLY REALLY neccessary.
Yeah. Heavy Materials would need a cap. 4 feels right. A cap of 4 would change the cost for that armor to 20,650. 20,650 is rather close to the cost of Light Military Grade armor of 25K. Considering the military grade armor has a very definite advantage due to it being hardened, I really don't have a problem with the above-created armor. I'll edit the parent post of some random issues |
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