The Cain challenge..., Because I seem to be a sucker... Options

[Larme]

No good troll would admit to being a troll.

You mean there's such a thing is a good troll? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif)

I got ignored, so I'll ask again: Cain, are you a troll, or just a zealot who believes he's right? Are you sticking to your guns because you have no doubt that you're correct, or are you just trying to stir things up? Or none of the above? This isn't a rhetorical question, I'm geniunely interested in your response.

[Ryu]

But, let's deal briefly with the subject at hand. I've posted three characters that fit the bill in some form or another: two complete, one incomplete. I conceded that what constitutes an "area" was sufficiently vauge, so that Mr. Lucky might or might not fit the bill. And then the OP conceded, and I was asked to not start a flame war. So, we all agreed to drop the topic. And then, the thread moved into productive avenues.

I have not seen a single char that fits the bill in this thread. I´ve even given it a shot on my own, but the one comment given did not get me closer to fulfilling the challenge. It would have stretched the BP even farther. While I was happy that the thread stayed productive, the challenge has to be deemed a failure.

[Apathy]

This is the problem with opinions: everybody has got their own set of them, and most of us can't distinguish between our opinions and hard fact.

• Cain has the opinion that being able to build a character who is as good as they can get in one particular area right at character generation is a bad thing, because it limits the characters ability to progress. Others on the thread don't think this is a bad thing because they want the opportunity to be able to start the game with a character who is at the top of his field.
• Cain has the opinion that Mr Lucky and Mrs Pornomancer meet the criteria of being virtually as good as they can be in their chosen areas of expertise. Others disagree and think that those characters are deficient in important areas, or at least not completely broken.
• Cain and several other posters on the thread don't care for some of the basic mechanics used in SR4. Some people agree, and some disagree with this assessment to varying degrees.

Cain is neither right nor wrong in his opinions. He has just as much right to them as anyone else does. The only thing about this conversation that annoys me is that he refuses to acknowlege that anyone else's contrary opinions could hold equal validity. There's a big difference between saying "I don't like hard caps on skills." versus saying "Hard caps are a stupid idea" and refusing to acknowlege anyone's counterarguments.

[Dashifen]

Alrighty folks, we're closing this one. Incidentally, we'd like to thank everyone for, by and large, keeping this debate civil, and we're closing it up not because it's been a problem, but because we're wildly off-topic and focusing no longer on the initial challenge and it's resolution but instead on the various merits of debating style and logical structure.