 Jackpoint Personas, who's who? |
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 Feb 29 2008, 01:59 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 438 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Houston Member No.: 13,369  |
I know for some of the prior incarnations of SR certain "characters" were usually retained by certain authors. Is that true now? If so, who is who? Sorry if this has been asked repeatedly.
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Feb 29 2008, 03:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
the jackpoint folks are communal. any author can write from any character's viewpoint. in point of fact, the vast majority of the people on jackpoint are chosen from a very limited pool of people these days.
mind you, iirc one or two of the folks on jackpoint are named for people on the dumpshock forums also i think =P (in particular, Winterhawk is one of the freelancers i think, and posts on these forums occasionally as Winterhawk) (more on the shadowtalkers here. ) a lot of those shadowtalkers never or at least seldom get used, though (can't believe they didn't keep the chromed accountant, for example... i mean, who the heck is aufheben? some of these people seem like good choices for the person to write one of the articles, but to become one of the core shadowtalkers is a little iffy, imo... ) nevertheless, i don't get to choose them... if i had, i would've grabbed more of the people i remember more. |
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Feb 29 2008, 04:01 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
Is that some kind of official list meant to be circulated to the freelancers so that they all speak from the same voice when using a particular shadowtalker?
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Feb 29 2008, 04:50 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
The thing about life in the shadows, is that it goes on...until it doesn't. Not all of our old friends are with us. The idea behind having a limited shadowtalker list is to further develop their individual characters, tones, and relationships in depth, something that wasn't possible when every author was adding twenty-five to fifty new posters per book, many of whom were throw-away one-note-jokes.
You'll note the shadowtalker list isn't completely static, we have a lot of "guest" shadowtalkers that are invited in when the topic turns to a subject that the Jackpoint crew don't have a native specialist on, and some of those tend to get re-used as well. |
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Feb 29 2008, 05:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 941 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,765 |
I certainly hope the list given to the writers is a bit more indepth... I can see a half dozen easy contradictions that could come from any two writers working from the bare bones descriptions there. Lots of non-comments about race, gender and the like. That's a problem when in one book a shadowtalker reveals themselves to be a troll with an engineering degree, say...
Of course, since I just skimmed the list, watch, the write up for that character SAYS 'Troll with engineering degree'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Feb 29 2008, 06:08 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
We do indeed have a more detailed listing for each character, including their most prominent posts and quotes.
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Feb 29 2008, 06:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 664 Joined: 3-February 08 Member No.: 15,626 |
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 29 2008, 07:08 AM)  We do indeed have a more detailed listing for each character, including their most prominent posts and quotes. OOh, can we see it? |
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Feb 29 2008, 07:37 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Note that while you can't throw in new shadowtalkers, a writer can still do shout outs. Both Dr. Swayne and Probably Gavin were characters from games I ran (run by my friends Samuel and Krishna respectively). Once off characters go into once-off situations: writing up the stories being commented on.
Heck, you can even do obscure references and jokes: Dr. Jacqueline Diamonds is a Bear. A grizzaly, grizzaly bear. And if you get that reference, you know your African American Folk Music. -Frank |
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Feb 29 2008, 08:26 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
QUOTE mind you, iirc one or two of the folks on jackpoint are named for people on the dumpshock forums also i think =P (in particular, Winterhawk is one of the freelancers i think, and posts on these forums occasionally as Winterhawk) To say nothing of Bull, either. |
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Feb 29 2008, 04:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 438 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Houston Member No.: 13,369 |
QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 29 2008, 01:37 AM) Heck, you can even do obscure references and jokes: Dr. Jacqueline Diamonds is a Bear. A grizzaly, grizzaly bear. And if you get that reference, you know your African American Folk Music. That does ring familiar but not enough to remember exactly why. |
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Feb 29 2008, 05:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
"Jack of Diamonds," a famous Blues song (Frank doesn't know Blues from Folk), and "Grizzly Bear" which is more of a kids song these days.
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Feb 29 2008, 07:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
QUOTE (Ancient History @ Feb 29 2008, 12:11 PM) "Jack of Diamonds," a famous Blues song (Frank doesn't know Blues from Folk), and "Grizzly Bear" which is more of a kids song these days. Actually Jack O'Diamonds is a folk character who appears in many songs. The song "Grizzly Bear" is indeed a folk song and features Jack O'Diamonds as a metaphorical bear. -Frank |
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Feb 29 2008, 07:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
We must be thinking about different songs, then.
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Feb 29 2008, 07:32 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
On a related but kind of off-topic note, the Nick Cave song "Rye Whiskey" is probably the best version of Jack o' Diamonds that I've heard. Or at least my personal favorite.
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Feb 29 2008, 10:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097 |
newbie time again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
QUOTE (Shadowtalker List) Fastjack Hacker Extraordinaire Everybody knows Fastjack. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So um... for those of us who don't know Fastjack, who is Fastjack? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) DS |
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Feb 29 2008, 10:44 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The most (in)famous decker (hacker) in the Sixth World. Still active even though he was born in 1999, but despite his age he was not one of the members of Echo Mirage.
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Feb 29 2008, 11:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 05:44 PM) The most (in)famous decker (hacker) in the Sixth World. Still active even though he was born in 1999, but despite his age he was not one of the members of Echo Mirage. But famous for what? (Obviously he's famous if we're all supposed to know who he is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) Just for being ancient? |
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Feb 29 2008, 11:33 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Famous for being a Decker/Hacker/Shadowrunner of extraordinary talent. The Skill ranking of 7 in Hacking belongs to FastJack.
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Feb 29 2008, 11:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 602 Joined: 2-December 07 From: The corner of Detonation Boulevard and Fascination Street Member No.: 14,464 |
I believe Fastjack is actually a clone of Lemmy Kilmister . unfortunately, the only evidence I have is that they both rank a solid 11 on the KOOL-O-METER. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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Mar 1 2008, 12:26 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
and one that have manged to make himself officially not exist...
fastjack, smiling bandit (is he still living out in the wilderness?), and slamm-o! is the big names of the old guard iirc. iirc, fastjack is one of the few thats probably cracked the big vault in the sky. |
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Mar 1 2008, 12:46 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 05:44 PM) The most (in)famous decker (hacker) in the Sixth World. Still active even though he was born in 1999, but despite his age he was not one of the members of Echo Mirage. I assume he went through Leonization. I mean, if I had the money I would most certainly make myself 25 again. |
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Mar 1 2008, 12:54 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
well if he ever did, there is no talk about it that i have ever heard of. but then, unlike some others here, i have not read every book ever printed...
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Mar 1 2008, 01:19 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 10:44 PM) The most (in)famous decker (hacker) in the Sixth World. Still active even though he was born in 1999, but despite his age he was not one of the members of Echo Mirage. can you reference that last bit? I thought they left that up in the air on purpose. |
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Mar 1 2008, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 811 Joined: 30-January 07 From: Portland, OR Member No.: 10,845 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 29 2008, 07:33 PM) Famous for being a Decker/Hacker/Shadowrunner of extraordinary talent. The Skill ranking of 7 in Hacking belongs to FastJack. Thats strange, I always had him at a skill rating 9000! |
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Mar 1 2008, 01:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 438 Joined: 21-September 07 From: Houston Member No.: 13,369 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 29 2008, 06:26 PM) iirc, fastjack is one of the few thats probably cracked the big vault in the sky. I thought he wrote the intro history stuff in the SR4 core |
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