 Mask (Mana or Physical), Does this spell change your clothing / equipment as well? |
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 Mar 5 2008, 01:24 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 6-August 02 From: Kiel, Germany Member No.: 3,071  |
Does the Mask spell change your clothing / equipment as well?
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Mar 5 2008, 01:57 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yes.
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Mar 5 2008, 01:27 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
Actually, I usually go with no. The spell alters the target's physical appearance, smell, etc. (since it is multi-sense) but if they then carry around a minigun, the minigun still looks like a minigun. To create a more complex, realistic illusion covering a person and their gear, I usually suggest (Trid) Phatasm.
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Mar 5 2008, 01:49 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Mask/Physical Mask has in the past been described in the fiction sections (the only place these things are really fleshed out) of the rulebooks as making a team appear to be believably dressed and equipped as maintenance personnel.
The limited version of the spell, Vehicle Mask, alters the appearance of an entire vehicle, not just certain parts of the vehicle (unless that is what is required (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). Trid Phantasm can be used to duplicate the effects of most illusion spells, but isn't required in this situation. |
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Mar 5 2008, 04:12 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
I disagree, but I can see your points.
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Mar 5 2008, 04:32 PM
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Man Behind the Curtain Group: Admin Posts: 14,871 Joined: 2-July 89 From: End of the Yellow-Brick Road Member No.: 3 |
I have to agree with Fortune (an not just to disagree with Dash! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ). I remember the mask spell being used in one of the novels to actually cover the fact that the ork team mate was sticking his tongue out at the security guard. IIRC, it made the weapons look like brooms and the like..
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Mar 5 2008, 05:06 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
To be honest, I'm less concerned about the novels and more concerned about the SR4 spell's description. I've read the novels, but I can't be sure the players have, so the only common ground would be the spell's description. To me, it indicates that it alters the target's physical appearance in all five senses. I don't know that I feel that encompasses their clothing, gear, etc. though, just their actually physical meat body's appearance.
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Mar 5 2008, 05:11 PM
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Man Behind the Curtain Group: Admin Posts: 14,871 Joined: 2-July 89 From: End of the Yellow-Brick Road Member No.: 3 |
Fair enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Mar 5 2008, 05:22 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
I think it fills a need for an illusion that acts as a physical disguise, there really is'nt another spell that does that. One that is an obvious illusion and another that creates illusions of objects. Always used mask like it's novel fluff has described it. If not I'd have to go through the trouble of creating an entirely new spell or requiring use of realistic trid phantasm which seems like overkill for a single mask and costume.
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Mar 5 2008, 05:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
IMO "Physical appearance" is the whole of what you present when I look at you. It's not just you as you'd be naked, but you with your current load in total. Thus, the mask would alter the overall look, everything from clothing, gear, hair color, skin tone, etc. That's just my take on it though.
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Mar 5 2008, 06:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 19-July 07 From: Oakland CA Member No.: 12,309 |
I'm actually going to have to say that the out bounds of Mask is your aura. More than enough of a volume to cover your armor, comlink, a pistol, but even an SMG or assault rifle would be pushing it.
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Mar 6 2008, 09:52 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 5 2008, 02:49 PM)  The limited version of the spell, Vehicle Mask, alters the appearance of an entire vehicle, not just certain parts of the vehicle (unless that is what is required (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ). Vehicle Mask still exists? Thought it had been dropped? Or my search-fu has simply been too weak the last time I looked for the spell in the BBB. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Mar 6 2008, 11:45 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
QUOTE (Grinder @ Mar 6 2008, 08:52 PM) Vehicle Mask still exists? Street Magic, page 171. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Mar 6 2008, 01:31 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
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Mar 7 2008, 05:27 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
I'm more than happy for the spell to cover clothing equipment etc because it really lacks any punch if it doesn't.
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