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Nightwalker450
post Mar 9 2008, 04:34 PM
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According to Street Magic, an Attack of Will does (Charisma)P Damage. Is this correct, or should it be Charisma/2 like for Astral Combat?
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post Mar 9 2008, 04:35 PM
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No, (Charisma)P is correct. Also look into the Kiai martial art from Arsenal to get up to +3 to this DV.
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post Mar 9 2008, 05:47 PM
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It was the Kiai that made me start looking at it. So a Mystic Adept with Banishing Skill could just massacre spirits using this. Banishing + Willpower to attack and then Charisma + 3 for damage, only resisted by body.

Nothing else uses a straight attribute for damage.
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post Mar 9 2008, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Nightwalker450 @ Mar 9 2008, 01:47 PM) *
It was the Kiai that made me start looking at it. So a Mystic Adept with Banishing Skill could just massacre spirits using this. Banishing + Willpower to attack and then Charisma + 3 for damage, only resisted by body.

Nothing else uses a straight attribute for damage.

Go go Elf mystic adept! Ultimate spirit hunter! Seriously cool.
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post Mar 9 2008, 10:27 PM
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...so even a mundane a Face character with say, a Willpower of 4, a Charisma of 5, and Kiai MA could potentially be a threat against spirits (base of 8DV)?

Go Dwarven Face! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Mar 9 2008, 10:32 PM
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Note that Spirits still get to defend with their Reaction + Unarmed Combat, so they are rolling double force +2 (or more) against your Willpower + Banishing. Even if you have help and reach, getting into hand-to-hand with a spirit is dangerous. A strike made brave and true may indeed banish a demon outright, but they are made of quicksilver and nightmare and actually laying your hands upon one is difficult at best.

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post Mar 9 2008, 10:53 PM
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...ahh Frank, my dreams of building the mundane spirit killer are once again crushed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

...looks like it's back to the smartlinked PJSS with EXEX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Mar 10 2008, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Mar 9 2008, 04:53 PM) *
...ahh Frank, my dreams of building the mundane spirit killer are once again crushed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

...looks like it's back to the smartlinked PJSS with EXEX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

No you silly Billy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) take two martial art positive qualities, in addition to Kiai (Tai Chi Ch’uan) you also take Pentjak-Silat (Bersilat, Gatka) then choose the +1 DV for Astral Combat attacks (Awakened only);

Now the maneuver Focus Will that gives a +2 to any Willpower Tests "may" give a bonus to Attacks of Will.

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post Mar 10 2008, 01:16 AM
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Go the general purpose-way. Get up your close-combat DV until you can beat the spirits immunity. Once you get to that point, the DR pool is not large enough to soak the damage.
The elven face with CHA+3 damage is nothing to sneeze at, but the ork streetsam will not be far behind on DV. Mundane spirit hunters could be really scary close combat fighters. Take Ars Cybernetica, the bonus to bladed combat DV, and the Maneuver Finishing Move. Use a combat axe. Assuming a strength of "only" 5[7], you get to a base DV of 9/-1, and are allowed to borrow an IP for an immediate follow up attack. Plus it is way easier to augment Agility and Bladed skill than Willpower and Banishing.
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post Mar 10 2008, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Mar 10 2008, 01:39 AM) *
Now the maneuver Focus Will that gives a +2 to any Willpower Tests "may" give a bonus to Attacks of Will.

It's a Willpower Test, so it applies.
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post Mar 10 2008, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
my dreams of building the mundane spirit killer are once again crushed..


QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Mar 10 2008, 11:39 AM) *
No you silly Billy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) take two martial art positive qualities, in addition to Kiai (Tai Chi Ch’uan) you also take Pentjak-Silat (Bersilat, Gatka) then choose the +1 DV for Astral Combat attacks (Awakened only);


How can a mundane take an Awakened only MA talent, much less reliably engage in Astral combat?
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post Mar 10 2008, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Mar 9 2008, 07:20 PM) *
It's a Willpower Test, so it applies.

So with 15 pts of Martial Art Kiai (Tai Chi Ch’uan) select three times gets +3 DV on Attacks of Will, takes the maneuver of Focus Will gets +2 bonus to the test of Attacks of Will, then takes Pentjak-Silat (Bersilat, Gatka) then choose the +1 DV for Astral Combat attacks (Awakened only); so the total DV is +4, with +2 dice on the test. If his/her Charisma is a 8 then the DV is 12P.

Not bad. One note this attack bypassed the Immunity to Normal Weapons that spirits have.

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post Mar 10 2008, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune @ Mar 9 2008, 07:26 PM) *
How can a mundane take an Awakened only MA talent, much less reliably engage in Astral combat?


Correct this would only work for a Awakened, to get the +4 DV, a mundane would only have +3 DV but with a +2 on the Willpower Test.

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post Mar 17 2008, 11:28 AM
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So, the question I have is: does the spirit still get Immunity to Normal Weapons against Attacks of Will?
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post Mar 17 2008, 11:37 AM
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No, he doesn't. But weapons don't count anyway, when you use an Attack of Will. That's all written in Street Magic.
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