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Updated SR Archetypes - Old Editions to New, I have a strange urge to update the old SR1/2 archs to 4e

Drogos View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 11:39 AM Post #51
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 573 Joined: 6-March 08 Member No.: 15,746	He was an Ork in SR3, and I would suggest a return to that. It makes a world of difference in a mundane.

suppenhuhn View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 11:51 AM Post #52
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 14-February 08 Member No.: 15,682	I like the detective being human again, though ofc orc would be better statwise. As for suggestions i would maybe get rid of photographic memory and buy homeground instead. Also maybe consider don't buying stealth as a group so you can get higher shadowing than 2. And yes uncybered mundanes always are a bit dissappointing but the detectives better off then the ribesman, considering he's not a fighting char (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Fleming View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 12:01 PM Post #53
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 17-March 08 Member No.: 15,787	I like what I'm seeing here so far; always nice to exchange ideas with others (and get some NPCs one doesn't need to spend time on building...). If nobody minds, I'd like to try my hand on the Street Shaman and the Orc Street Samurai. Okay?

Fortune View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 12:08 PM Post #54
Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486	Feel free ... even if someone does mind. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) And welcome to Dumpshock. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

paws2sky View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 12:21 PM Post #55
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229	QUOTE (suppenhuhn @ Mar 20 2008, 06:51 AM) I like the detective being human again, though ofc orc would be better statwise. Agreed. And technically the ork from SR3 was The Investigator anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) QUOTE (suppenhuhn @ Mar 20 2008, 06:51 AM) As for suggestions i would maybe get rid of photographic memory and buy homeground instead. Also maybe consider don't buying stealth as a group so you can get higher shadowing than 2. And yes uncybered mundanes always are a bit dissappointing but the detectives better off then the ribesman, considering he's not a fighting char (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Yeah, I'd looked at Home Ground. Problem with it, as I see it, is that its too specialized. A neighborhood? A host system / node? And it can't be changed? I mean, its great for NPCs, but for PCs its seems like a points sink, IMO. I'd almost rather dump it entirely for more skill points. Good suggestion on the Stealth Group though. Shadowing 4 and Infiltration 1 sound about right? Kinda hate to give up the Palming skill, but I do agree that his Shadowing should be higher. QUOTE (Fleming) I like what I'm seeing here so far; always nice to exchange ideas with others (and get some NPCs one doesn't need to spend time on building...). If nobody minds, I'd like to try my hand on the Street Shaman and the Orc Street Samurai. Okay? I was going to take a shot at the Ork Street Sam once I get the Tribesman and Detective finalized, but by all means, have at it! Ah, oh yeah, welcome to DS. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

paws2sky View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 02:46 PM Post #56
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229	Tribesman (400 BP Total) version 2 [ Spoiler ] "Your prejudice and attempts to insult me fall on deaf ears. Those wounds were made long before my time and I have no desire to re-open them. Perhaps we should attend to business instead? A friend tells me you are in need of some who knows the land. Perhaps you are looking to make a border crossing? Ah, no need to reveal that just yet. Rest assured, I am the one you seek. I was born to the land and I know its ways. "I would caution you though; do not take me for an ignorant savage. I've adapted quite well to this concrete jungle of yours. I know its ways and feel its rhythm. I'm quite skilled at tracking my prey, even here, in this twisted, decaying symbol of the white man's greed and ambition. Deal with me fairly and I shall return the courtesy." Metatype (0 BP) Human Attributes (210 BP) Bod: 4 Agi: 4 Rea: 4 Str: 5 Cha: 2 Int: 3 Log: 3 Wil: 3 Edg: 3 Ess: 6 Mag: - Ini: 7 [1 pass] Active Skills (168 BP) Athletics Group: 2 Outdoors Group: 4 Archery: 4 Blades: 1 (Knives +2) Etiquette: 1 (Tribal +2) First Aid: 1 Infiltration: 6 Longarms: 4 Perception: 2 Pilot Exotic [Riding Animals]: 1 (Horses +2) Shadowing: 2 Throwing Weapons: 1 (Throwing Knives +2) Unarmed Combat: 2 Knowledge Skills (18 free) (0 BP) Botany: 2 Environmental Politics: 2 Medicine: 3 Paranormal Animals: 2 NAN History: 2 NAN Smuggling Routes: 2 Woodworking: 2 Sioux: N English: 3 Qualities (10 BP) Guts High Pain Tolerance (2) SINner Gear and Lifestyle (3 BP) Nuyen: (4510 unspent) Lifestyle: Squatter (2 months) Armor Vest (6/4) Bow (Str Min 5) with Arrows [x50] Ruger 100 with Internal Smartlink, Imaging Scope [with Image Link, Low-Light, Smartlink, Vision Magnification], Shockpad, Regular Ammo [x50] Knives [x2] Throwing Knives [x5] Fake SIN (3) Fake License: Ruger 100 (3) Fake License: Bounty Hunter (3) Certified Credstick Biomonitor Medkit (6) Antidote Patch (6) [x2] Stimulant Patches (6) [x2] Trauma Patch Meta Link with Vector Nix OS, Trodes, Virtual Surround Music Glasses with Image Link Earbuds Mapsoft: <campaign city> (6) Mapsoft: Salish-Sidhe Council Lands (6) Mapsoft: UCAS (6) Contacts (9 BP) Radical Eco-Shaman (L2/C2) Tribal Official (L1/C4) Version 2 notes Dropped Cha a point to bump up his Str. His bow can now defeat an armor jacket unless the target is also wearing form fitting or is a troll. Dropped a level of High Pain Threshold and added SINner so I could beef up his skills a bit. Dice Pools: He's up to a 7 DP for Outdoors skills and 6-8 DP for combat skills. That puts him in the "professional" category at least. He's also up to 10 DP for his infiltration, which is nothing to sneeze at. Shaved a point off his contacts to add some resources. Picture An athletic young man of Sioux hertage. His long, dark hair is in a braided ponytail. He wears neo-tribal chic, complete with a beaded headband that conceals his commlink trodes. Background He was born and raised on a back-to-the-land commune, deep in NAN territory, where he learned the "old ways" of hunting, fishing, riding, and lvingin in harmony with the land. Its was a virtual paradise, but the Tribesman always felt he was missing... something. When he was of age, he packed his things and headed for the nearest big city. He's a bit of a fish out of water because of his upbringing, but he's quickly learning to adapt to the modern world. He's even acquired a basic commlink. His ties to the eco-movement provide him with a cause and, perhaps more importantly, work when others in the corporate dominated shadows might shun him for his heritage. Tweaking the Character The character is pretty straight forward. BP from some negative qualities could be used to improve his Edge or Skills or possibly to add a few more positive qualities. The Tribesman has a small amount of leftover nuyen to buy incidental items or boost his starting cash. Cyberware and Bioware should be avoided for the sake of concept. Shaving a skill rank or two off the existing skills to add some specializations is another possibility. Comments The Tribesman is a very straight forward, organic character. Back in SR1 he was one of the only archetypes that took advantage of the bow's armor defeating abilities, he also had a bunch of oddball skills that people usually didn't take, like Biotech... and Horsemanship. All of which I retained for the SR4 update.

paws2sky View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 03:42 PM Post #57
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229	Yay for spoiler tags. Here's the revised version of The Detective. Detective (400 BP Total) Version 2 [ Spoiler ] "Yeah, I've been around the block a few times. My track record is solid, but then you already knew that, otherwise you wouldn't have called me. Yeah, that was me that found that missing Lopez girl after Crash 2.0. One of my earlier cases. That's ancient history though, I've done a lot more since then. Most you probably haven't heard about. I like to keep a low profile unless the job calls for noise. "Trust me chummer, I can find the person you're looking for. Or I can lose them for a while. Or watch them. Whatever. You show me enough zeroes in the right places and I'm your man." Metatype (0 BP) Human Attributes (220 BP) Bod: 4 Agi: 4 Rea: 3 Str: 3 Cha: 3 Int: 4 Log: 4 Wil: 3 Edg: 4 Ess: 6 Ini: 7 [1 pass] Active Skills (162 BP) Influence Group: 4 Computer: 2 Data Search: 4 Dodge: 2 (Ranged +2) Electronic Warfare: 2 First Aid: 1 Forgery: 2 Hacking: 1 Infiltration: 2 Perception: 4 Pilot Ground Vehicle: 1 (Cars +2) Pistols: 2 (Semi-Automatics +2) Shadowing: 4 Unarmed Combat: 2 Knowledge Skills (24 free) (0 BP) <campaign city> Crime Syndicates: 4 <campaign city> Gangs: 3 <campaign city> Movers and Shakers: 4 <campaign city> Safehouses: 2 Forensics: 4 Security Procedures: 3 English: N Spanish: 4 Qualities (-5 BP) SINner Gear and Lifestyle (8 BP) Nuyen: (465 unspent) Lifestyle: Low (2 months) Armor Jacket (8/6) Ares Predator IV with concealable holster, regular ammo [x60] Novatech Airware Commlink with Iris Orb OS, Sim Module, Trodes, Subvocal Mic, Holo Projector, Analyze (3), Browse (3), Command (3), Edit (3), Encrypt (3), Scan (3), Decrypt (3), Track (3), Virtual Surround Music, Wall Space Mapsoft: <campaign city> (6) Linguasofts: <choose two languages> (3) Glasses with Image Link Earbuds Goggles with Flare Compensation, Image Link, Low-Light, Smartgun Link, Vision Magnification Handheld with Camera [Flare Compensation, Low-Light, Vision Enhancement (3), Vision Magnification] and Directional Microphone Handheld with Laser Range Finder and Laser Microphone (6) Handheld with Cyberware Scanner (6), MAD Scanner (3), Olfactory Sensor (3) Handheld with Atmosphere Sensor (3), Geiger Counter, and Radio Signal Scanner (6) Micro Camera [x4] Micro Microphone [x4] Micro Motion Detector [x4] Flashlight Medkit (6) Biomonitor Fake SIN (3) Fake License: Ares Predator IV (3) Fake License: Private Detective (3) Mercury Comet MCT Fly-Spy Contacts (15 BP) Bartender (L2/C1) City Official (L2/C2) Fixer (L1/C4) Snitch (L1/C2) Version 2 Changes Dropped Photographic memory. Broke down the stealth group to give him Shadowing 4. Some other minor tweaks to skills. Shaved a point off a contact for some more nuyen. Fleshed out his commlink, including a couple hacking programs (Decrypt and Track), and bought a couple linguasofts. Background The Detective comes from a security provider or police force like Lone Star. Why he left is anyone's guess, but he's now working the shadows, using high-tech gadgets and old school information gathering techniques to get the information his employers need. He's not above doing other work, but its not what he does best. Tweaking the Character There's a lot of room in the qualities area to tinker; an Addiction would certainly be appropriate. He could be turned into a high-tech surveillance specialist by adding a couple more drones or some select pieces of cyberware. Comments Yet another non-cybered mundane. Unlike in eariler editions, I'm finding these types of characters suprisingly difficult to work with. There aren't many qualities (positive or negative) that really jumped out at me, so he's pretty much a normal (granted, a 400 BP normal, but whatever). The SR1 era Detective was a very basic character. No cyberware, a good collection of contacts, modest gear. He had solid social skills, which made him a good Face for the group. He was also a good information gatherer. As combatants go, he really wanted to be somewhere else, like, another country (or a sniper roost), but he was still very good with his fists and guns of all kinds. The SR4 Updated version keeps most of that, with a few tweaks.

paws2sky View Member Profile	Mar 20 2008, 05:53 PM Post #58
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229	And while I'm thinking about it, here's The Rocker: Rocker (400 BP Total) [ Spoiler ] "Its not enough to just get up on stage and pour your heart out any more. You need the hardware, the ARE, and mostly importantly, the cred. Experience, I mean. People gotta know that you know, I mean, really know, what you're talking about when you're up there on stage. You have to have lived it or you're just going to end up sounding like every other remixed, redubbed, resynthed act out there. "I get my inspiration from the streets. I like getting out there and getting my hands dirty. That's how I got into the business, you see. You don't worry about my music career being a liability. I've cleared my schedule for this. And no one with recognize me if I don't want them to." Metatype (0 BP) Human Attributes (220 BP) Bod: 4 Agi: 4 Rea: 3 Str: 3 Cha: 5 Int: 4 Log: 2 Wil: 3 Edg: 4 Ess: 5.1 Mag: - Ini: 7 Active Skills (154 BP) Athletics Group: 1 Electronics Group: 1 Influence Group: 4 Artisian [a musical instrument or singing]: 6 Artisian [choose one]: 2 Blades: 3 Disguise: 2 Infiltration: 2 Perception: 2 Pilot Ground Vehicles: 1 (Bikes +2) Pistols: 3 Unarmed Combat: 2 Knowledge Skills (18 free) (0 BP) <campaign city> Movers and Shakers: 3 <campaign city> Music Scene: 3 Dive Bars: 2 Music History: 2 Musical Composition: 4 English: N <second language>: 4 Qualities (0 BP) None Gear and Lifestyle (13 BP) Nuyen: (440 unspent) Lifestyle: Low (2 months) Musical Instrument, Amps, etc. (10,000 nuyen worth) Armor Jacket (8/6) Raecor Sting with Internal Smartlink, Concealable Holster, Spare Clips [x3], Flechette Ammo [x20] Defiance EX Shocker with Internal Smartlink, Quick Draw Holster, Taser Darts [x20] Shock Gloves [x2] Knife Extendable Baton Novatech Airware with Iris Orb OS, Sim Module (Hot Sim/BTL modified), Simrig, Subvocal Mic, Holo Projector, Analyze (3), Browse (3), Command (3), Edit (3), Encrypt (3), Scan (3), Virtual Surround Music, Wall Space Nanopaste Disguise (Small) [x2] Handheld Sensor with Camera (with Low-Light, Flare Compensation, Vision Magnification), Directional Microphone, Microphone Contacts with Smartlink, Image Link Electronics Toolkit Fake SIN (3) Fake License: Ares Predator IV (3) Fake License: Raecor Sting (3) Certified Credstick Suzuki Mirage Cyberware Cosmetic Modifications and Body Modifications to fit desired appearance (5000 nuyen worth) Datajack Cyberears (3) with Audio Enhancement (3), Damper, Ear Recording Unit, Select Sound Filter (4), Sound Link Cybereyes (3) with Eye Recording Unit, Flare Compensation, Image Link, Low-Light Vision, Vision Enhanacement (3), Vision Magnification Voice Modulator Contacts (13 BP) Club Owner (L2/C2) Devoted Fan (L3/C1) Media Producer (L1/C4) Background The rocker grew up near, but not quite on, the streets. Like many young people, she found comfort in music. She started programming music on her first commlink, a first generation Casio-KZ. Now she's all grown up and looking to be a star. She's trying establish her street cred and get some inspiration from shadowrunning. If she doesn't get killed in the process, she might actually make it big some day. Tweaking the Character The Rocker is a good cannidate for an Addiction or SINner. She might even be an Elf or Ork Poser. Giving her a rougher street edge could be done through additional skills, Edge, or positive qualities. Comments The rocker is another of those SR1 character with really good attributes and, well, not a whole lot else. I added the athletics and electronics groups primarily for use in her stage act. She got some cyberware to help enhance her act too.

Glyph View Member Profile	Mar 30 2008, 06:00 AM Post #59
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449	Whoops. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) I posted a rocker in the Sample Characters thread - didn't know someone had already done one. Well, now there's two versions, I guess.

paws2sky View Member Profile	Mar 31 2008, 02:24 PM Post #60
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229	No problem, Glyph. I haven't cross-posted these last few ATs to the Sample Characters thread yet because I'm not really satisfied with how they came out. I'd like these to be ATs that people most people would, you know, actually consider playing. Just because I would play them, I feel like most wouldn't. Maybe that's just a Dumpshock thing. Maybe that's me being stuck in the 2050's when it comes to character design. shrug

Wesley Street View Member Profile	Mar 31 2008, 04:58 PM Post #61
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686	I totally want to play a Rocker now. Brilliant work guys! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

counterveil View Member Profile	Apr 2 2008, 05:04 AM Post #62
Target Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,720	QUOTE (Colin Chapman @ Mar 12 2008, 09:18 PM) Appropriate copyright for the images and fluff would be included, etc. of course (along with links for Catalyst), so I can't see anyone bitching about the use of old edition illustrations, which (let's face it) will never see the light of publication again. Plus, I'll have finished my current freelance rpg assignments by then, so I can relax and do it properly. If Catalyst would have a problem with this, I'm sure they'd let us know before things got started anyway. It seems to me there would be an issue with image reproduction in a non-Catalyst-sanctioned piece of work, but then again what do I know? Lots of us have websites re-using the images and naught has come of it, so maybe there's something there. Catalyst, please let us know if there are issues with re-using the images in a not-for-profit (community) work. I'm also very interested in this.

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