Recruitment: Old World Charm, Runnin' in the 'Port Options

[Abschalten]

Basically that the predominate building materials in SR4 per the books are affected by shape metal (they are described as alloys rather than a concrete/plastics.) and that 'coatings' like paint, plastic wire casings etc don't block LOS for line of effect for spell casting, as long as the 'object' is predominately metal based and you can see it.

If that were the case, then you wouldn't be able to cast a stunbolt on a guard wearing full milspec armor, or a woman with sufficiently thick make-up (slight exaggeration.) My feelings are that the spell would still work, but that question would get kicked to the GM.

[Cthulhudreams]

yes, the second issue is the least contentious, the first issue, that plastisteel and ferrocrete are metals is a bigger one.

[quentra]

Plastisteel and ferrocrete aren't metals. They're man made alloys, and thus wouldn't be affected by shape metal.

[Cthulhudreams]

Okay, noting that I dispute the interpretation that bronze and steel are not metals (eh?), and I'll replace the spell with something else.

[Aaron]

I think what quentra is trying to say is that they're man-made mixtures, part alloy and part non-metallic substance, rather than alloys, which does, as you (Cthulhudreams) point out mean a mixture of metals. That's just my guess, though; quentra would know best.

Also, I'm fairly certain that plasteel is plastic that is as hard as steel, and not at all metallic, just from descriptions in various places and the fact that transparent riot shields are made out of the stuff. Plasteel from Plasteel International, Inc. is made from layers of steel and plastic.

[Cthulhudreams]

Yur, but the actual description in Man & Machine says its an alloy, and as you note alloys are metals. Thus plastisteel is a metal.

The what happens with metal/plastic hybrid items like wires is also why I specifically used wires as an example in the question. Under the metal/plastic items are not effected by the spell, I cannot use shape metal on wires, or presumably painted steel, as the 'object' is not 'metal' due to the plastic or paint.

But either way, this is why I like to have question answered before I charge off with a spell that can easily range between awesome (if you follow the book exactly) to crap (if plastisteel isn't metal, what is metal in shadowrun?) so I like to ask.

I'll change it so its not an issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[quentra]

If you want to. What I'm saying is that plastisteel and ferrocrete are not purely metallic alloys, so the spell wouldn't affect it. Ferrocrete = Iron + Concrete, if I'm reading ferro right. Plastisteel is pretty self-explanatory. Bronze, steel, and the like are metal alloys formed out of metal components, thus it works. Its a decent spell, just need to choose your targets carefully. I'm putting up IC and OOC threads now.

[quentra]

Found some problems in some sheets.

Tabula Rasa, you specialized in a skill group, which you can't do. And yeah, you do have to pay for each skinlinked item. at 50 resource BP, you're also one over. Your total gear costs come to 64,682 :yen: for equipment, and 172,350 :yen: for 'ware, about 237 032 total :yen:.

Kookyjeld, you still have four points to go, so spend em.

Aaron, you're cleared.

Professeur, you still have a gaes to choose, otherwise, you're fine.

Cthulu, can you have multiple gaesi? You look fine otherwise.

And I'll critique/clear Abs' sheet when I get home.

[Aaron]

Aaron, you're cleared.

Fear my mad gaming skills.

[Tabula Rasa]

Quick clarification, what do you mean I am one point over? Like I spent 1 too many BP? I will correct my sheet and submit the corrected one with my character description in the OOC thread.

[quentra]

Yeah, you're a point over in your gear BPs if you're keeping them at 250k. I'd rather you post the sheet here as well, since I want to used that reserved post to keep all my charasheets in one place.

[quentra]

And for Abschalten, critiques: I suggest a couple of things. You can save 12 BP by getting the Influence group at 4, instead of two skills at 5 and one at 3. Secondly, you might wanna get an Encephalon, since it adds to logic tests. Also, I'd suggest getting your commlink at six, to save some money (and a surgery test) in game. It'll come in useful. If you decide to save the BPs, you might wanna put something in bod, so you can wear heavier armor, but that ones a trade off. That's all I got.

Players, get your sheets in and clarify things, and you're good!

Oh, and Cthuludreams, I looked it up, you're clear as well.

[Tabula Rasa]

I can't edit my sheet at work but class is a whole different ballgame! So expect a clarified sheet and a post in a few hours.

[kookyjeld]

4BP .. awesomely convenient number, woo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'll spend those points and post my decisions for your approval when I get home from work. Can't wait to get started!

[Professeur]

My geas would be to ingest at least 10 oz of vodka before midnight everyday. Would that be reasonable ?

I should get to posting more regularly (and transmitting my background...) by friday, when I'll be done with finals and papers.

[Tabula Rasa]

My geas would be to ingest at least 10 oz of vodka before midnight everyday. Would that be reasonable ?

Lightweight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Tabula Rasa]

Quick Q. Had you mentioned that we could buy individual skills up in a skillgroup from BP or did you decide to not allow that? I thought I saw it mentioned before that you would let us. If not, I'll delete the extra two points of pistols and my two specialization and I'll buy something else with the BP.

[quentra]

No, you can break skill groups at chargen. Just not specialize. Breaking skill groups to me, is, in a sense, specializing in a specific skill within general training.

[Tabula Rasa]

Okay, should be fixed. Removed specialties. Shaved off a point. Moved the one point left over to contacts. Then spent an extra 13k to spend the 250k. Also spent my knowledge skill points and defined what ammo goes with what. Let me know if it's okay and I'll make my post.

[ Spoiler ]

Metatype: Ork: 20 BP
Special: None

Attributes: 200 BP

Body: 6
Agility: 5
Reaction: 5 (7)
Strength: 4
Charisma: 4
Intuition: 2
Logic: 2
Willpower: 5

Special: 10 BP

Edge: 2

Skills: 150 BP

Athletics (Group): 2
Firearms (Group): 4
Automatics: +2
Influence (Group): 1
Stealth (Group): 3
Electronics (Group): 1
Throwing Weapons: 1
Unarmed Combat: 1
Pilot Ground Craft: 1
Dodge: 1
Specialization (Ranged): +2
Perception: 3
FirstAid: 1

Dutch: N
English: 2
Fashion: 2
Pop Culture: 2
Corporate Security Procedures: 2
Europort Criminal Hangouts: 2
Europort Popular Hangouts: 2

Qualities: -35 BP

Negative:

Addiction (Severe, Limited): -30
Incompetent (Intimidation): -5

Resources: 50 BP

Ware:

Cyber:
Datajack (Alpha)
Bone Lacing (Aluminum, Alpha)
Wired Reflexes 2 (Alpha)
Attention Coprocessor 1
Cybereyes IV
--Flare Compensation
--Low-Light Vision
--Protective Covers
--Smartlink
--Thermo Vision
--Vision Enht III
--Vision Magnification
Cyberears IV
--Audio Enht III
--Balance Augmenter
--Damper
--Select Snd Filter IV
--Spatial Recognizer

Bio:
Platelet Factories
Reflex Recorded (Firearms Group)

Gear:
Lifestyle (Middle, 1 Month, Special): 10,000 yen
Survival Knife: 50 yen
Defiance EX Shocker: 150 yen
Flechetti Security: 600 yen
--Concealable Holster
Ares Predator IV-s: 350 yen
--Personalized Grip: 100 yen
--Silencer: 200 yen
--Concealable Holster: 75 yen
Ares Predator IV-s: 350 yen
--Personalized Grip: 100 yen
--Silencer: 200 yen
--Concealable Holster: 75 yen
Steyr TMP-s: 600 yen
--Smartgun
--Sound Suppressor: 700 yen
--Concealable Holster: 75 yen
--Personalized Grip: 100 yen
HK-227X-s: 800 yen
--Smartgun
--Gas Vent 3: 600 yen
--Personalized Grip: 100 yen
--Concealable Holster: 75 yen
--Shockpad: 50 yen
--Underbarrel Weight: 100 yen
--Sound Suppressor
Ares Alpha-s: 1,700 yen
--Smartgun
--Gas Vent 3: 600 yen
--Grenade Launcher
--Personalized Grip: 100 yen
--Shockpad: 50 yen
--Sound Suppressor: 300 yen

Explosive Rounds x400: 2,000 yen
--SMG:300 Assault Rifle: 80 Sniper Rifle: 20
Gel Rounds x300: 900 yen
--H Pistol: 100 SMG: 200
Regular Rounds x2000: 4,000 yen
--L Pistol: 50 H Pistol: 400 SMG: 1000 Asst Rifle: 500 Sniper Rifle: 50
Flash-Bang Grenade x20: 600 yen
HE Grenade x20: 900 yen
Thermal Grenade x5: 175 yen

Armor Jacket: 900 yen
Camouflage Suit: 1,200 yen
Chameleon Suit: 8,000 yen
Helmet: 100 yen
FFBA: 1,600 yen
Skinlink x 8 (gear marked with “-s�): 400 yen
20 Security Tags: 100 yen
20 Stealth Tags: 5 yen
20 Standard RFID Tags: 1 yen
Micro-Transceiver-s: 1,200 yen
Fake SIN, Rating 3 (Military Reserve, all licenses attached): 3,000 yen
Fake Sin, Rating 3 (Jane Average, no licenses): 3,000 yen
Fake License, Rating 4 (Pistol): 400 yen
Fake License, Rating 4 (SMG): 400 yen
Fake License, Rating 4 (Armor): 400 yen
Fake License, Rating 4 (Cyber, Military Reserve): 400 yen
10 Plastic Restraints: 1 yen
Autopicker (Rating 6): 1,200 yen
Maglock Passkey (Rating 4): 8,000 yen
Sequencer (Rating 4): 800 yen
Keycard Copier (Rating 6): 1,800 yen
Wire Clippers: 25 yen
Gecko Tape Gloves: 250 yen
Climbing Gear: 200 yen
GPS: 200 yen
Survival Kit: 100 yen
Standard Rope (100m): 50 yen
Medkit (Rating 6): 600 yen
Antidote Patch (Rating 4) x 2: 400 yen
Stimulant Patch (Rating 4) x 4: 400 yen
Tranq Patch (Rating 4) x 10: 800 yen
Trauma Patch x 5: 2,500 yen
Latex Face Mask: 500 yen
Nanopaste Disguise, Small Container: 500 yen

Commlink:
Hermes Ikon-s: 3,000 yen

OS:
Novatech Navi: 1,500 yen

Programs:
Firewall (Rating 6): 3,000

Vehicles:

Suzuki Mirage-s: 6,500 yen

Contacts: 3 BP (8 BP Free)

Fixer C5 L2
Personal Contact C1 L3

Total: 400 BP

[quentra]

I haven't checked the entire sheet out yet, but when I said 'specializing' in skill groups, I meant thats what I see when you break one at chargen. You can take the skill group, then raise the skill X amount of levels spending additional BPs.

[Aaron]

Really? Can I get a 4 BP refund by doing my Tasking skills that way?

[quentra]

Yepyep. You can take tasking, then raise...say...compiling up a level for only four extra BP on top of the skill group! Honestly, its just logical that way.

[Tabula Rasa]

I haven't checked the entire sheet out yet, but when I said 'specializing' in skill groups, I meant thats what I see when you break one at chargen. You can take the skill group, then raise the skill X amount of levels spending additional BPs.

That's what I meant to do. I just wrote SMG instead of automatics. Edited.

[quentra]

So the +2 means you're raising your Auto skill to 6?

[Tabula Rasa]

Yes, if that's alright. Originally I had it listed as pistols. Meant to change it to automatics but wrote SMG then edited it to correct it. I suck at this apparently. lol