Immunity to normal weapons, What counts and what doesn't? Options

[Tarantula]

Fire spirits do not have any form of immunity to fire, so per RAW, yes, flamethrowers will burn the heck out of them. Spirits only have the powers that they are given. So while a fire spirit can burn through stuff with its elemental aura, that doesn't mean you can kill it with a fire extinguisher, or water, nor does it mean that it needs oxygen to live. It has none of the properties of fire, in other words.

Try to think of it like this: all spirits are made out of the same spirit stuff. Fire spirits are made out of the same stuff as air spirits, which are made out of the same stuff as water spirits. They just look like they're made out of an element.

Incorrect. Fire elementals have a severe allergy to water. Water elementals have a severe allergy to fire. You spray a fire elemental with a water based fire extinguisher... it'll get hurt (rate of 1 box per minute or +4DV of a water based weapon). Hit a water elemental with a flamethrower, and it'll eat +4DV from the attack.

Not to mention that since it bypasses their ItNW then its straight body for them to resist with. (And a -4 DP to everything while they are exposed to it.)

[WearzManySkins]

IIRC one of the Devs (Synner?) has stated that SnS/Taser rounds do not affect creature/beings with out an nervous system ie spirits was used as an example.

Besides electrical shock from SnS and Tasers is not additive in the method of projected round delivery.

WMS

[Jaid]

Incorrect. Fire elementals have a severe allergy to water. Water elementals have a severe allergy to fire. You spray a fire elemental with a water based fire extinguisher... it'll get hurt (rate of 1 box per minute or +4DV of a water based weapon). Hit a water elemental with a flamethrower, and it'll eat +4DV from the attack.

i don't think there are water-based fire extinguishers, unless by fire extinguisher you simply mean anything which can be used to extinguish fires rather than an actual fire extinguisher (in which case a bucket full of water would qualify as a fire extinguisher, i suppose).

[Tarantula]

I believe class A fire extinguishers (not b or c, but only a) are in fact, water sprayers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_classes

[Jaid]

IIRC one of the Devs (Synner?) has stated that SnS/Taser rounds do not affect creature/beings with out an nervous system ie spirits was used as an example.

Besides electrical shock from SnS and Tasers is not additive in the method of projected round delivery.

WMS

don't believe that was ever said. i do recall someone saying it shouldn't realistically stun spirits, and possibly someone saying it wouldn't be a completely unreasonable houserule, but i don't remember anyone official actually saying they shouldn't do anything.

[CanRay]

Mental Note: Never summon a Fire Elemental when outside in Seattle. With all the rain that happens. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Cabral]

What about DMSO + Insecticide against Bug Spirits?

[Tarantula]

If bug spirits have a severe allergy to insecticide (i think they do) then its 1P every minute they're exposed (and a -4DP modifier to all actions to boot).

[CanRay]

If bug spirits have a severe allergy to insecticide (i think they do) then its 1P every minute they're exposed (and a -4DP modifier to all actions to boot).

They do.

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[ElFenrir]

This makes me wonder how i could work in those new 'Water Guns' that the firefighters have been testing
. I forget what they're called but they shoot the 'balls' of high-pressure water; it showed two firefighters extinguishing a car fire REALLY fast with it. They would aim, *whoomp*, and this high-pressure ball of water would land on the fire and smother some of it. Aim *whoomp*. And the cool thing was they really did look like guns hooked up to backpacks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I think it had the disadvantage of really only being useful against class A fires, but i can't quite remember.

They could wreck some "#%¤ on a fire elemental by the look of it, though.

[toturi]

don't believe that was ever said. i do recall someone saying it shouldn't realistically stun spirits, and possibly someone saying it wouldn't be a completely unreasonable houserule, but i don't remember anyone official actually saying they shouldn't do anything.

No, actually Synner really did post something to that effect. I am uncertain whether he meant no -1/2 AP, no elemental stun effect or simply no damage at all.

[Oracle]

Interesting topic. I did not find anything from Synner concerning sns against spirits with the search function.

[toturi]

Interesting topic. I did not find anything from Synner concerning sns against spirits with the search function.

I had tried to find that post too, but I have not found it. But I am very certain he did make such a post, because it was the very few times I was not happy when a developer posted an "intention" clarification. I remember he was quite clear about it, I had hoped the writers would go for a more strategically ambiguous stand on the matter.

[Tarantula]

I remember seeing a post about it too. Possibly was Franktrollman and not Synner. I'll keep digging around for it as i can.