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Jun 8 2008, 04:03 AM
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#126
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 18-May 08 From: A hippo's natural habitat Member No.: 15,984 |
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Jun 8 2008, 06:06 AM
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#127
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
There honestly should not be anything inflammatory about the Indo-Aryan swastika. It has been in common use for literally thousands of years before anyone ever even dreamed of the word "nazi." To everyone outside of Europe, and a lot of people in Europe, the swastika is just a sacred symbol of Hinduism. And Buddhism. And Jainism. And every other religion which is descendant from the original Central Asian barbarians for whom the word "barbarian" is coined: the Aryans. There are seriously about 2 billion people on the planet for whom the swastika is a sacred symbol that has nothing to do with nazism. These people include the Dalai Lama and Gandhi.
That's seriously not a nazi thing. It's the reason why all the Indo-European languages are so similar. And it's the reason that the archaic Irish caste system is pretty much identical to the old Indian caste system. There really is a common group of people that spread a lot of cultural ideas around several thousand years back from the island of Ire to the island of HokkaidÅ?. The fact that they were apparently kicking around in Southern Ukraine during the ice ages is of particular interest to Earthdawn/Shadowrun crossovers. -Frank |
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Jun 8 2008, 04:49 PM
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#128
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Mr. Johnson ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
True dat. The swastika isn't a Nazi symbol unless it's black and on a white circle which is on a red background.
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Jun 8 2008, 07:36 PM
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#129
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Awakened Asset ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Barbarians in loincloth casting life-prolonging magic that is nowadays called cybermantic magic... reference Cybertechnology pg. 74.
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Jun 8 2008, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 18-May 08 From: A hippo's natural habitat Member No.: 15,984 |
There honestly should not be anything inflammatory about the Indo-Aryan swastika. So, people still complain, especially in America's "Lawsuit mentality" culture. For example a Pokemon card had a swastika on it, and it caused so much controversy that the Japanese company discontinued said card entirely in America. |
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Jun 8 2008, 08:53 PM
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#131
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
So, people still complain, especially in America's "Lawsuit mentality" culture. For example a Pokemon card had a swastika on it, and it caused so much controversy that the Japanese company discontinued said card entirely in America. But we're adults here. And we should know that when Buddha has a swastika on his belly, that it's not an attack on homosexuals, gypsies, or socialists. -Frank |
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Jun 8 2008, 09:14 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 18-May 08 From: A hippo's natural habitat Member No.: 15,984 |
But we're adults here. Most adults that get in the news/make lawsuits aren't very rational or reasonable. Look at any reality show. Not to mention that most humans always find something to complain about. Not saying that I disagree with you, it's just that when most people think "Swastika," they think "Nazi," and as such, assume the worst. |
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Jun 8 2008, 09:20 PM
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
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Jun 8 2008, 10:09 PM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Frank's hit the nail on the head. The Aryans have little to do with what the Nazi image of them. If you look closely at the presumed timing of the conquest of the Indus civilization by the Aryan barbarians its gets kind of interesting (strangely enough the reason for the mass Aryan migration continues to elude us). And they went everywhere, the Aryans are also believed to be the forefathers of the Celts. Then there's the commonalities between the ancient irish caste system and the Hindu varna. The fact that changing one's caste (up or down) requires reincarnation. The similarities in Indo-European languages. There really is a common root to all of this and the source of it all is indeed quite interesting for someone who's followed ED and SR links.
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Jun 9 2008, 12:31 AM
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
So that explains why the Elves are so into Celtic Lore and so on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jun 9 2008, 06:20 AM
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
So that explains why the Elves are so into Celtic Lore and so on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Yes. Flash back a few thousand years and it comes from Southern Ukraine. Not just in Shadowrun, but in the real world. -Frank |
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