Guns of the south, So what do the Texan forces use anyway? Options

[Kronk2]

Let me start by saying that I left my copy of Arsenal @ my buddies place, Where we run the game. I know its a niggling detail, but dangit it does matter. What Assault rifle do the Texas Army carry? I am assuming that they have moved beyond the M-14 onto something with a bit more class.

The need would be
Cheap, Reliable, and good stopping power. And carry 1 more bullet than the guy shooting at me. (In the case the Azzies)
I am liking something like the M1 Garand. I like the idea of it having a small flaw. The ping of the ejector spring spitting out the last round. I am thinking a 31 round gun with standard reflex sights, A bolt on smartlink, and a under mount ring. either that or a supped up 45 smg.

The Azzies I expect would be using something with say 6P, 30 round clip smartlink, and a really cool ammo counter projected into the sight picture.

[WearzManySkins]

In my SR4 world shotguns are used a lot down there in Texas

Check this link for some double barreled shotguns
ReddKneck Arms and Armor(RAAM)

WMS

[hyzmarca]

God made men but it was Samuel Colt who made them equal. And then his heirs gave us the integral grenade launcher. Colt M22A3. If it's Texas it has to be a Colt.

[kzt]

God made men but it was Samuel Colt who made them equal. And then his heirs gave us the integral grenade launcher. Colt M22A3. If it's Texas it has to be a Colt.

Because they really want to buy all their guns from Connecticut?

[Fuchs]

I give them the standard weapon I used for the CAS army - Colt M22A3/Colt M23. Smartlink as standard, of course - in my campaign, almost all shooters, civilian and military, in the CAS have a smartlink (for safety reasons, and to keep up with the neighbors at events). For snipers the Walther WA2000 was said to be the standard sniper rifle of the CAS. Ares Predator as a side arm.

[hobgoblin]

Because they really want to buy all their guns from Connecticut?

is colt part of ARES in SR?

if so, those guns may well be made in some hell-hole sweatshop and shipped in...

[Wounded Ronin]

In this link this question is spelled out and addressed: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...p=0&#entry0

[CanRay]

is colt part of ARES in SR?

if so, those guns may well be made in some hell-hole sweatshop and shipped in...

Or subcontracted out to the Peublo Corporate lands and is really well made!

Murphy, one of my NPCs, has a first edition Ares Predator that fell off the back of the truck from the first shipment from Pueblo to Seattle that his GRANDFATHER picked up, and has been passed down the generations of Shadowrunners. (Murphy is an Ork.).

I don't think it's been refered to who owns Colt, which may own itself still, or been absorbed into the UCAS as part of the military as part of the "Armoury" and sells civilian weapons and ammo to try and get more funding for the underfunded armed forces. Or been bought by Ares, Aztechnology, Saeder-Krupp, Mitsuhama, Renraku, or any of the other Megas. Hell, it might be a Fuchi orphan and they can't find the stocks, but just keep manufacturing and making a profit!

[Fortune]

Colt might very well still be an independent Corporation. There are still quite a lot of smaller corps that are not a subsidiary of one of the big 11.

[Wounded Ronin]

Also, big revolvers. See Lone Wolf McQuade. And bolt action rifle > M16A1.

[CanRay]

Full auto has it's advantages.

Being able to shoot your opponent before his rounds have a chance to hit you can be a better one. It's one of the reason that the Arctic Soldiers of the Canadian Armed Forces still use SMLEs (Although, rechambred for a NATO round. It's so hard to get MilSpec .303 British Service nowadays.).

[Snow_Fox]

Far be it for me to bring up an authoritative source but check out SB 7104.
The official Assault rifle is the AUG. That would also cover the smg, carbine and lt mg.
The official Sniper rifle is the Walther MA2100.

and so now that I feel old I'm going to go watch my liver spots break out.

[CanRay]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Styer AUG. Good rifle!

[Kronk2]

How should I handle basic training? I was thinking Firearms, outdoors, and Athletics @2 with a bump in the MOS. Say Stealth 3 for scouts. But thats like 50 points of skills I am tossing them
Perhaps I could charge 30 and get away with it? (They don;t get a choice of what they get)

[Snow_Fox]

right, they don't get to decide what they train in the army does that for them.
"Permission to marry? Son if the army wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one."

[WearzManySkins]

right, they don't get to decide what they train in the army does that for them.
"Permission to marry? Son if the army wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one."

Yes and my response to such neandertwit remarks during my time in service "True but the USN did not issue me a brain either, ask Lt. Commander Klingsize(sp) about my using my brain to keep me from shooting his arse dead, when the Rules of Engagement said he should be dead." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

But back on topic, if you require characters to have certain skills and levels in those skills prior to game play that is ok.

WMS

[Snow_Fox]

Yes and my response to such neandertwit remarks during my time in service "True but the USN did not issue me a brain either,

At that point the RSM should have offered a requisition form for that item.

"Well sunshine, if you're gonna make cracks like that you obviously need to get one, right after you finish X extra details."

[hobgoblin]

how about this, boot camp gives x skills at y level for all. then they can specialize and pick up another x skills at y level (or improve existing skills).

thats how some very interesting rpgs i have around does it with character generation in general.

then you can sprinkle it all with some interest skills and similar.

[WearzManySkins]

At that point the RSM should have offered a requisition form for that item.

"Well sunshine, if you're gonna make cracks like that you obviously need to get one, right after you finish X extra details."

"Good since I do not have a brain, can you fill out the paper work so I can have one. You will need to show me how to perform the extra details Sluur." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[annachie]

Don't mess with the RSM. It's a definate no win situation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
(Wow, didn't know the US still used that rank.)


I've seen Walker, Texans don't use guns they use martial arts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[imperialus]

I seem to remember Fields of Fire first introducing that combi gun (might have been the HK XM30 from Arsenal) and saying it was invented for the CAS military. It struck me as a bit over engineered for a battle rifle but hey.

[WearzManySkins]

IIRC my history correctly it was the Texas Rangers that enable Samuel Colt to get his company off the ground due the number of handguns the Rangers liked to carry.

Ie the Walker Colt.

WMS

[hobgoblin]

I seem to remember Fields of Fire first introducing that combi gun (might have been the HK XM30 from Arsenal) and saying it was invented for the CAS military. It struck me as a bit over engineered for a battle rifle but hey.

the cas military supposedly also fields a hovertank...

[Wounded Ronin]

Yes, the CAS army should be filled with physads who use roundhouse kicks.

[WearzManySkins]

the cas military supposedly also fields a hovertank...

CAS Stonewall Jackson MBT?

WMS