How do non-awakend deal with spirits?, Is there something like magical bullets? Options

[Jaid]

there's dual natured in the sense that something exists on 2 planes at once at this exact moment, and then there's dual natured in the sense that something permanently and naturally lives on 2 planes at the same time.

a perceiving magician or adept is in the first group, but not in the second, and i assume it is the second group that is to be given the astral combat skill equal to their unarmed combat skill. that is, it is part of the dual natured critter power, and not the result of simply being dual natured.

[psychophipps]

Explosives usually works. Lots and lots of explosives.

[Fortune]

there's dual natured in the sense that something exists on 2 planes at once at this exact moment, and then there's dual natured in the sense that something permanently and naturally lives on 2 planes at the same time.

a perceiving magician or adept is in the first group, but not in the second, and i assume it is the second group that is to be given the astral combat skill equal to their unarmed combat skill. that is, it is part of the dual natured critter power, and not the result of simply being dual natured.

Exactly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[AngelisStorm]

Yeah... but I just never thought of it that way. Logically I was registering that they were dual natured, and could cast spells at things on the astral... but I never thought about astrally punching something. Physical (your body) just made me think physical world. But if you use Astral Combat... O-O... cool.

But what does happen when a dual natured creature attempts to attack with a golf club, for example? Nothing, because though the person is dual natured, and the weapon isn't? What if you have a dual natured golf club?

[crizh]

there's dual natured in the sense that something exists on 2 planes at once at this exact moment, and then there's dual natured in the sense that something permanently and naturally lives on 2 planes at the same time.

Dude. There's dual-natured and there's other stuff.

That's partly why this thread is so enormous. Dual natured has a very specific SR meaning, it's a game mechanic with extremely important ramifications. If you casually attach it to anything with an Astral Form you dilute it's meaning and sow the seeds of confusion and misunderstanding.

[Tarantula]

Yeah... but I just never thought of it that way. Logically I was registering that they were dual natured, and could cast spells at things on the astral... but I never thought about astrally punching something. Physical (your body) just made me think physical world. But if you use Astral Combat... O-O... cool.

But what does happen when a dual natured creature attempts to attack with a golf club, for example? Nothing, because though the person is dual natured, and the weapon isn't? What if you have a dual natured golf club?

No, you have a dualnatured critter attacking with a purely physical weapon (golf club). ItNW would apply. Ghoul would be better off either a) using a weapon focus, or b) attacking via astral combat and ignoring the club.

Dude. There's dual-natured and there's other stuff.

That's partly why this thread is so enormous. Dual natured has a very specific SR meaning, it's a game mechanic with extremely important ramifications. If you casually attach it to anything with an Astral Form you dilute it's meaning and sow the seeds of confusion and misunderstanding.

Yes, he was referencing a non-quoted reference to something Synner said. Which was basically to the effect of, there might be an errata that makes critters with the dual-natured power possess astral combat equal to their unarmed combat. Perceiving mages don't get the dual-natured power, they simply become dual-natured while perceiving. Thus, they would not get the astral combat power, while the spirit/ghoul/whatever would.

[Fortune]

Yes, he was referencing a non-quoted reference to something Synner said. Which was basically to the effect of, there might be an errata that makes critters with the dual-natured power possess astral combat equal to their unarmed combat. Perceiving mages don't get the dual-natured power, they simply become dual-natured while perceiving. Thus, they would not get the astral combat power, while the spirit/ghoul/whatever would.

'Xactly. Much obliged. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)