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[Crisp]

Since everyone (or at least plenty of someones) are arguing over which caliber the Predator should be I'd just like to add that there is a canon reference in one of the books: Predator and Prey.

The Predator fires a 10x30mm cartridge.

Now compare that to a 9x19mm, a .40 or even a .45 and it should be significantly more powerful. Especially if we assume it's a high pressure cartridge for strong, modern guns.

SPOILER: Predator & Prey adventure.

[ Spoiler ]

If any one cares to check the book, it's in the "African" adventure--I don't remember the title--in the results of a perception check. get a single success: "You hear shots." Get many successes and you identify the caliber and gun.

[Fuchs]

For real world-related firearm topics, SR canon references usually serve more as an example of what something clearly is not, than what they claim.

[Faelan]

Essentially a 10mm Magnum Round. How sweet it is.

[Wounded Ronin]

If I had a handgun like that, I'd have it modified so that I could use a beta c mag with it. That way my handgun would look rather phallic.

http://coffeeandcapitalism.com/blog2/wp-co...ck-beta-600.jpg

[TheOneRonin]

what im trying to say is that going that route would take a whole lot of reworking of how SR damage system works.

I've done it, and I am very pleased with how my system works.

And for the record, the changes are not so great that the system is unrecognizable. Quite the contrary.

[Kronk2]

It's about $80 per AK-47 and 20 rounds of ammo, delivered. In quantities of several hundred thousand from Norinco.

Thats about right, if you talk to any Arms dealer worth his trade, the gun is free with a large purchase of ammo. Its like drugs. The first hit is free.

[Link]

Since everyone (or at least plenty of someones) are arguing over which caliber the Predator should be I'd just like to add that there is a canon reference in one of the books: Predator and Prey.

The Predator fires a 10x30mm cartridge.

Now compare that to a 9x19mm, a .40 or even a .45 and it should be significantly more powerful. Especially if we assume it's a high pressure cartridge for strong, modern guns.

SPOILER: Predator & Prey adventure.

[ Spoiler ]

If any one cares to check the book, it's in the "African" adventure--I don't remember the title--in the results of a perception check. get a single success: "You hear shots." Get many successes and you identify the caliber and gun.

Interesting, know any others? Perhaps we need a canon calibre thread. I'll see if I can dig up a few references, like the 1.5mm flechette for the Raecor Sting (grl.32).

For real world-related firearm topics, SR canon references usually serve more as an example of what something clearly is not, than what they claim.

Raygun assigned the 10mm Auto (10x25mm) to the Predator so it's probably reasonable canon.

[hobgoblin]

Thats about right, if you talk to any Arms dealer worth his trade, the gun is free with a large purchase of ammo. Its like drugs. The first hit is free.

heh, sounds like they used to work for gillette. give away the handle, sell the blades at a premium (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Fuchs]

Raygun assigned the 10mm Auto (10x25mm) to the Predator so it's probably reasonable canon.

The .38 and the .357 Magnum have a difference of 3,43 mm between the lengths of their cartridges. The two handle rather differently when shot from the same weapon.

[kzt]

Thats about right, if you talk to any Arms dealer worth his trade, the gun is free with a large purchase of ammo. Its like drugs. The first hit is free.

Yup, well, not free, but the ammo rapidly outprices the cost of the gun if you actually shoot much.

[Dr Funfrock]

Just a quick thought on the vintage firearm statting, at least for SR4, where weapons are a lot more granular:

Assign weapon to it's closest matching type.
Look up the real world clip size.
Remove all accessories.
Require some modification before accepting any modern accessory.
Apply the following rules;
- Vintage firearms have one 3 modification slots (not designed with modern customisation in mind)
- Vintage firearms have 1 rank of gremlins attached (does not stack with any the user has... it's a result of being lower tech, and gremlins is specifically what happens when you use high tech stuff. This just represents being a little more likely to jam or whatever).

Prices are whatever seems appropriate, since in world prices will vary wildly.

Yes, these rules are pretty loose, but they handle the inclusion of older weapons without the need for massive re-statting.

Acceptable accessories will generally be lasers sights, external smartlink, scope, foregrip, sling, and stock / shock pad. Maybe a few others (can't remember). They'll all have to be custom fitted, since ones specifically made for the make and model of gun probably won't exist, or will have to be bought in from a specialist anyway. On the whole, I'd suggest adding 50% to the cost of any accessories to account for this.
Silencers will be particularly difficult, as the fitting for a silencer is gun specific. The barrel has to have the right mountings.