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 Type O and Used Basic Bioware, Once again Seach Fu + Me = no good |
 Jun 12 2008, 02:12 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392  |
I just need a quick word from the community here. Is there an official ruling on taking used bioware along with Type O system? Specifically:
1) is it a no-go? 2) do you multiply by 1.2 then by .5?, or 3) do you just multiply by .5? Thanks! |
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Jun 12 2008, 02:16 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Number 2. It's been fixed up and altered by the person it was previously in. In fact, some of their essence is still probably inside of it, and your own essence is not liking that.
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Jun 12 2008, 02:43 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I agree with CanRay. You would use the second option.
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Jun 12 2008, 03:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,382 Joined: 22-February 06 From: Shadowland Member No.: 8,297 |
Agreed. The math also works for a straight 0.6 multiplier.
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Jun 12 2008, 05:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 17-January 08 Member No.: 15,341 |
Type O specificaly mentions that you can't install used bioware. page 20, Augmentation.
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Jun 12 2008, 05:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 558 Joined: 21-May 08 Member No.: 15,997 |
Which, medically, makes sense.
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Jun 12 2008, 09:16 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Jun 12 2008, 03:24 PM)  Type O specificaly mentions that you can't install used bioware. page 20, Augmentation. D'oh! Teaches me to check before answering. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif) |
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Jun 12 2008, 10:06 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
i don't really understand why you should not be able to install used bioware to be honest . .
type o basically let's you ignore all biological differences between your system and every body elses system right? that's why bioware is usually made from type o, because it is compatible with everybody else, no immune system stress whatsoever O.o |
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Jun 12 2008, 11:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 6-January 06 Member No.: 8,137 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 12 2008, 06:06 AM) i don't really understand why you should not be able to install used bioware to be honest . . Because they couldn't find a way to balance essence friendly bioware for half the price. |
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Jun 12 2008, 11:34 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Kerberos @ Jun 12 2008, 01:07 PM) Because they couldn't find a way to balance essence friendly bioware for half the price. d'oh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif) |
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Jun 12 2008, 12:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 19-July 07 From: Oakland CA Member No.: 12,309 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 12 2008, 05:06 AM) i don't really understand why you should not be able to install used bioware to be honest . . type o basically let's you ignore all biological differences between your system and every body elses system right? that's why bioware is usually made from type o, because it is compatible with everybody else, no immune system stress whatsoever O.o Type O is a universal donor (not receiver) which is way Bioware is grow to that spec. You would need the not publish 'Type AB' quality to use second hand bioware at a discount. ps. I know it has nothing to do with actually blood type. |
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Jun 12 2008, 02:06 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
but . . why is it universal donor and NOT receiver?
if anybody can use his parts, should he not be able to use anybodys parts too? @.@ |
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Jun 12 2008, 02:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
QUOTE (Daier Mune @ Jun 12 2008, 05:24 AM) Type O specificaly mentions that you can't install used bioware. page 20, Augmentation. Ooops. Guess I need to go back to elementary school to learn how to read. Sorry all. |
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Jun 12 2008, 03:07 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 12 2008, 09:06 AM) but . . why is it universal donor and NOT receiver? if anybody can use his parts, should he not be able to use anybodys parts too? @.@ Probably the same reason that people O-Negative Blood (The "Universal Blood") can only take O-Negative. |
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Jun 12 2008, 04:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,186 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
Type O body doesn't represent anything other than the first letter of the first guy that they based all this bioware stuff on. Rather than call it type "Owen Whiting" (pg 53 Augmentation), they just called it type O
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Jun 12 2008, 04:56 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Yes, I know that, but I was using O-Neg as an example.
O-Neg blood goes into everyone, but people with O-Neg can only accept O-Neg. |
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Jun 12 2008, 05:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
This is in the same vein that I can give blood to my kids and to my wife. But they cannot give blood to me.
My kids can also give blood to my wife. Like me, they cannot take blood from her. I'm O+, my wife is AB+, and ours kids are A / B+ |
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Jun 12 2008, 06:25 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 12 2008, 09:06 AM) but . . why is it universal donor and NOT receiver? if anybody can use his parts, should he not be able to use anybodys parts too? @.@ Rejection happens because the body detects a protein that is "non-self." The reason your body does not reject surgical steel is because surgical steel has no proteins at all and is never detected by those methods. Owen Whiting's cells have very few proteins on them, meaning that almost no metahuman's body recognizes any protein on his cells as "non-self." However this means that he personally can't take a cell line from anyone because everyone else has a bunch of proteins that he doesn't have. Ironically, being the universal donor makes him essentially allergic to the cells of every single other human on the planet. Type O would be something of a disadvantage if it weren't for the fact that medical companies in the Shadowrun world have spent fortunes cloning and modifying every single type of cell from his body and have that stuff sitting in fridges ready to go at a moment's notice all over the Earth. If the game was set in the 2030s, the effect of the condition would be that you couldn't get transplants from anyone and it would probably be like a 5 point negative quality. -Frank |
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Jun 13 2008, 01:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 944 Joined: 19-February 03 Member No.: 4,128 |
Blood is a good example.
With mature cloning technology, like SR4 has, it is a safe bet that _all_ medical blood supplies are O-neg. |
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Jun 13 2008, 02:13 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Yeah, for official sources. But if you can't get access to a real hospital, with a cloaning tank just making O-Neg, you're getting what the Street Doc pays for in donations.
Or what he gets from the Organleggers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) |
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Jun 13 2008, 06:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 27-May 08 Member No.: 16,009 |
There must also be something about type O blood that prevents those who have it from ever becoming full magicians. After all, type o (30) + full mage (15) = more than the allowed limit of 35. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) /sarcasm
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Jun 13 2008, 06:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229 |
QUOTE (Crank @ Jun 13 2008, 01:45 PM) There must also be something about type O blood that prevents those who have it from ever becoming full magicians. After all, type o (30) + full mage (15) = more than the allowed limit of 35. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) /sarcasm Well, at least I could be an Adept. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) |
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Jun 13 2008, 08:34 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
The vast majority of genetic types are incompatible with being a magician. Only 1-2% of the population are full magicians, and straight clones have a decent chance of being full magicians if their original was one (meaning that it's multifactorial and developmental).
Even a generous assessment would mean that no more than 10% of the entire world has the genetic makeup to potentially awaken into a full magician. That a particular cell line known specifically for having less proteins than other metahumans would happen to not fall into that category is in no way surprising. -Frank |
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Jun 13 2008, 10:09 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
QUOTE (Crank @ Jun 14 2008, 04:45 AM) There must also be something about type O blood that prevents those who have it from ever becoming full magicians. After all, type o (30) + full mage (15) = more than the allowed limit of 35. Latent Awakening. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jun 13 2008, 10:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 17-January 08 Member No.: 15,341 |
couldn't you make a Type-O Mage as a prime runner? i forget if you get exta points for qualities under those rules.
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