 Shadowrun Kaers, What'll they look like? |
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 Dec 16 2003, 05:36 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320  |
Oh, I think Deus does know about the horrors. Before the canon " Answered" the mystery of what deus was up to, my theory was that his goal was to improve Metahumanity to stand up to the horrors. By the canon he's doing it to give himself bodyguards, but that's no fun. I think it's cooler if he's doing all this evil for a good cause.
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Dec 16 2003, 05:37 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
To some extent. The simple brutes will experience a conclusive rain of lead, but SR tech has yet to provide any benefit in combating the dangerous ones. The neutralization of the brute types might provide an edge when dealing with the stronger (more attention to put on them) but there have been no technological or thaumatergical advances that give a direct edge against the astral, double, and named. |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:02 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
except for nukes... :scatter:
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Dec 16 2003, 06:04 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Damn straight. If a Weapon Focus or Manabolt can kill it, then so can a 500 megaton fission warhead. |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:16 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I've always preferred overkill to fair fight.
er...@AE, Are you serious or mocking me? |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:23 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
:rotfl: |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:44 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'm very serious. I'm usually rather pissed off when people downplay the incredible amounts of punishment that mankind can dish out even now, let alone in 60 years.
I mean, if we can raise the mean surface temperature of earth into a 5-digit figure (celsius), while dropping mean height (above sea level) of land areas a few meters and spreading around enough radiation to kill off everything but bacterie, couldn't we kill a few measely horrors? |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:48 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Would there be an effective way to herd all the horrors into one area, then do a Cermak kind of deal to kill them off?
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Dec 16 2003, 06:49 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The earth = one area?
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Dec 16 2003, 06:51 PM
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Project Terminus: Soul Hunters Group: Members Posts: 1,052 Joined: 6-November 03 From: Casselberry, Florida U.S.A. Member No.: 5,798 |
Ok that is an interseting way to look at it. Now lets go at it from this point of view. Remember the movie Swordfish? How many people would you kill to keep america free? That was the basic question so now lets reword it for Shadowrun. How many magically active beings working together to cast the mother of all slay race/species would be willing to die to save the world? I mean come on Howling Coyote not only got people to cast together they died for his cause so just find someone who can get people to work together again. Then once they are here BAM your dead sure some may die from the drain but shit we still win. Just a few more thoughts see ya. |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:51 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Where's the "smack forehead" smilie...
I meant an area where it won't kill us all to do it. Like, oh, I don't know, France? |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
The way I understand it, there are way too many horrors on the other side to 'herd' them all into one place. I mean, we're talking about so many horrors that in the last scourge, people had to hide underground and/or in magically protected cities just to survive, while the nasty daemons ran around on the surface and trashed the place. And anyway, dropping lots of nukes on horrors might just make toxic horrors, if such a thing were possible.
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Dec 16 2003, 06:54 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Hmm. Interesting idea. I really don't know anything about the horrors, so I can't answer.
Any of the more knowledgeable individuals here have an idea about herding them? |
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Dec 16 2003, 06:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Ancient History's Atomagic-article makes me think that that wouldn't be a problem. If the pitifully small Cermak nuke had the kind of effect it had, 500 megatons (probably on the order of 50,000 times as powerful as the Cermak, 25,000 times as powerful as the Hiroshima) ought to dispatch of a few horrors quite nicely. Or even a lot of horrors. Within 5 kilometers of Hiroshima, there's a Background Count of 5. I don't think it's much of a stretch that at the Ground Zero (and perhaps within several kilometers of it) of 500 megatons just going off there'd be a Background Count of 10, especially if dropped on Paris. I don't think them horrors will enjoy getting spanked with 14D per Combat Turn. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Dec 16 2003, 07:02 PM |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
Cleanup would be a bitch.
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Dec 16 2003, 07:11 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
1) So? 2) I like the quote in your signature. Douglas Adams forever. |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
What, you mean scraping all the burnt frog-bits off the walls in neighboring countries? :biggrin: TN 20 Sorcery test, 20 Complex Actions, 10D Drain, -1BC/2 successes, must be Init Grade 10. Assuming, of course, that the GM doesn't consider it a "lasting, long-term background count" on par with the Great Pyramids or Auschwitz... |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:16 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
Douglas Adams rocked. Anyway.
I guess I'm wondering if nuclear warfare against the horrors would be a worthwhile alternative to hiding in Kaers. That strikes me as being kind of like blowing up your house and pouring toxic waste on the ashes, just to kill a thief (albeit a very, very nasty thief). |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:17 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
No, more like blowing up a section of your house. Probably a very unwated section.
We're still talking about France, right? :grinbig: |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:20 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
Of course a nuke is lasting background count! Hiroshima/Nagasaki ground zero both fall into that same category. To kill the BC, you have to get rid of the source of the BC (namely the radiation). Check out pg 112 of Target: Wastelands.
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Dec 16 2003, 07:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Instead of spending hundreds of millions of billions in building enough underground caverns to house the whole of humankind, you'd only need half of that and then use the nukes we already have to blow that half of the world which has already hid underground. Assume, for example, that there was certain knowledge that 90% of all horrors happened to be in France. Do you doubt for a moment that it wouldn't be nuked by Japan, all of North America, and anyone else more than 4,000km from its borders that happens to have nukes? What's a few (dozen million) frenchmen when compared to the survival of the human race (or at least of the high-classed citizens of the nuke-wielding country).
'twas a joke! :) This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Dec 16 2003, 07:22 PM |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
1) I love France. I had a girlfriend from France, once (she's still a good friend). France makes awesome wine. The Riviera totally rocks. Don't knock it!
2) I seriously doubt you could fit all the horrors into France, even if you wanted to. In the last scourge, they covered the earth. |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:26 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Well okay, perhaps we're discussing on the wrong scale here.
Instead of herding them all into one area and blowing it to bits, how about firing nukes at places where there might be a significant amount of them in one location. For example, if they can only cross the border between the planes in specific, geographical places at first, wait for a lot of them to come to our side, and then warm them to a crispy 100 million degrees celsius. If/when they are all over the place, it obviously won't work. Not that that will neccessarily stop certain nuclear powers from trying... |
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Dec 16 2003, 07:29 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Reminiscient of the "End of the World" flash that's been circulating recently...
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Dec 16 2003, 07:42 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
If the BG of Hiroshima is ten, why not just go live there. For that matter why not artificially create higher background counts and build your homes there. Instant protection, right?
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