 Shadowrun Kaers, What'll they look like? |
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 Jan 1 2004, 04:46 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153  |
Exactly. And with filtering now available, that's not too far away most likely. While this is in a way academic; since the makers of SR have an issue with using the horrors, unless of course you still use the horrors as a backdrop of a threat. I myself still use them from time to time. The horrors are like the Cthulhu mythos for the SR universe. The smaller horrors that had crossed over would still be plotting and scheming even with current events. Those are the one's that would make good plot lines. Frankly, the PC's should never go up against a true named horror because they wouldn't/shouldn't survive... or very few should survive. The mages in the group would be fodder and easily marked since they are using raw magic. The horror would affect the groups expensiture of karma and keep them from buying successes to save thier butts. Death would follow in short order... or at least you better hope your dead. And why haven't the major players made people aware of the horrors. Because it's not in thier best interest. They are power players and to them, information is power. They aren't going to let the world know because then they would have entire populations trying to break into thier equivalent of a kaer to be safe. So instead, they keep thier borders tight, keep vigilant and start construction of their kaers early. Knowing corps, they are going to be looking for a way to use the horrors to thier advantage... not realizing that they will be manipulated by the horrors instead. If you don't believe it, look at what Ares started doing with bug spirits in Threats 2. I'm not saying all corps will be that stupid, but you can bet some will, and that some is all that's needed to further the horrors goals. |
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Jan 1 2004, 09:27 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Harly lied for some reason in the Dragonheart Saga. He's definitely older than 3000 years. As far as I know, his age isn't the only thing he lied about in those books. |
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Jan 1 2004, 09:41 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Okay, I'll bite. What else did he lie about? |
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Jan 1 2004, 11:04 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Harlequin doesn't care to talk about his age, although he's claimed seniority over Ehran the Scribe once. He did not lie in the Dragonheart saga as I recall...unless you mean the questions when he claimed the armor, when he kept avoiding he question (DUnkie gave a fascetious answer anyways, just for Davier I believe).
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Jan 2 2004, 04:26 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Yeah, you're right about the senority over Ehran. I forget what book it was but I believe Harley said something to the effect of "I have socks older than that guy" :D Clever fellow, that one. |
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Jan 2 2004, 08:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Harlequing, Dunkelzahn, and a few other ED era dudes that do not have personal interests such as these. What's stopping them? (Or, in the case of Dunkie, what was stopping him? Or are(/were) they just evil-spirited sons-of-bitches all of them? |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 03 Member No.: 5,929 |
this thing is going forever, how long does a thread take to close?
anyway, i believe that it is mentioned somewhere that one of the north american governments is building a vast underground structure of sorts. sounded just like a kaer to me. unfortunately no details, as i have no books. the tir's have measures in place to either detect horrors or their corruption (tt's artisan tests) or to defend themselves (tnn's veil) so there are obviously steps being taken, just not openly involving the average joe. remember that these power players have been through this before, so naturally they know what they are getting into and probably think that involving the general population is a colossal waste since they'd be more hindrance than help. another thing to consider is social dynamics. i figure dunkie already thought of this, but imagine that you are joe schmoe. (and the series has ended and you're a bit bitter about being played) suddenly the government tells you one day that because of the rise in magic, you are going to have to run and hide underground from these nasty creatures for a few centuries or die a horrible death. mass panic ensues with all the accompanying crap including the violence. but most people are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together and come up with something other than 4. so they'll blame magic and, what else came with magic but metehumanity, so now they are to blame and the night of rage looks like a sunday school picnic by comparison. and a big reason that lofwyr or any other GD would care less is that their lairs ARE kears having withstood the last scourge or maybe two depending on the dragon in question. they already have someplace to go, so no need to make many preparations on their part. |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:49 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
To a point, this might be true. However, anything that helps in generating funds or R&D to fight the buggers would be useful. This would mainly include talking with mid/high level corpers though, and not Joe Average.
And Lofwyr doesn't mind in the least that everything he has built so far will collapse and fade away? And it'll be a hell of a lot harder to rebuild too, when all that survives of humanity will be a group of IEs and a few of their regular elven buddies, a number of socially important humans, and misc Big Monsters (including GDs). He'll have to fight with all the same big guys for power in the post-scourge world, and there'll be far less power to go around. If there's even a slight chance that a greater part of humanity will survive, with a significant part of it Sponsored By Saeder-Krupp, he has nothing to lose -- his corporate empire, all of his wordly fortunes, would be gone anyway. If things turn sour, he can always run away into his lair. |
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Jan 2 2004, 12:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 03 Member No.: 5,929 |
that was pretty much my point, though i think it is a bit clearer the way you said it. he has interest in stuff working out tech wise, but if it doesn't he has somewhere to go that he knows is safe. remember though that he is going to sleep life away shortly after the scourge passes and he won't likely find any use in 6th world tech in the 8th world. also it is hinted in dunkie's will that he and lofwyr have very different views concerning the lesser races. i doubt he'd give a shit if they all very nearly died off. as for funds and r&d stuff, we know that most mega corps have either IE or GD involvement on on the boards so naturally the corps will benefit the cause, but will anyone but the top echelon necessarily know what they are doing at the time and why? i think that they will continue the approach they have keeping people ignorant until the time comes and then just giving them little or no choice and forcing them. look at the arcology, renraku lackeys rarely left, so it wouldn't be that hard to keep them there and then one day just close it off - as happened. |
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Jan 2 2004, 12:45 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Even a completely sociopathic dictator cares if his subjects all die off. They, and their wealth (pumped up into the dictator's hands, of course), are a measure of his power.
That was the most important bit I was looking for, really.
Not neccessarily, but the top echelon knowing is enough for the Horrors not to be able to just use any corps like their playtoys. If the top echelon knows that all Horrors really want is to torture and kill humans, they won't be as eager to sell out. |
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Jan 2 2004, 12:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Ah, but corruption is such an easy tool to use on those already seeking power and wealth. It's not the fact that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but that absolute power attracts the corruptible. The horrors are very good at corrupting others. They will find a few top echelon people in various megacorps to turn to thier cause, and that's all that will be needed to open the door. Those who are power hungry will believe any lie they are told if they think they will be granted more wealth and power. |
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Jan 2 2004, 01:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Well then we only need Harlequin to tell them they get more wealth and power if they stop the Horrors. Problem solved. |
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Jan 2 2004, 01:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Harley is too jaded to care anymore. ;) |
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Jan 2 2004, 01:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 03 Member No.: 5,929 |
i never really thought about it before tonight, and i promptly forgot it in my earlier posts, but what if an immortal was marked or whatever during the 4th age and is now going to show signs of it in the 6th? i know i know the mark is only a year and a day, but a horror could supply the victim with a "religious ritual" or something to perform each year to maintain it.
or we could just have an immortal who was in league with a horror helping to bring about said horror's plans in the sixth. was there any indication of darke being immortal? hey someone give me the 16 hour sleep bug, please, it was all i could do to get 8 and i still lost 2 pages. |
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Jan 2 2004, 01:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Darke could have been marked by Chantrel's Horror. In which case, the horror just re-creates him every time he dies. Oh, that's a lovely thought. :S And don't forget that Verjigorm has captured dragons he has corrupted as well. |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:04 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
There's nothing to be gained by informing the general public about a threat that won't happen for 3000 years. People in power should (and probably do, or at least will) know, but every Joe on the corner doesn't need to know shit, and it would be more counter-productive to let everyone in on things.
The Scourge is never going to happen in the Shadowrun game timeline. If it does indeed happen at some point, it will be for a different, and possibly related game. |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:18 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
When are the Mechs rolled out? Is that all 7thth world, or were they potentially developed in the 6th?
~J |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
I could potentially see that happening in the 6th world. Walkers are already available in smaller sizes as it is. It would take some serious R&D time to perfect thou. |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Regardless, the BattleTech universe (which I seem to remember as being the future of Shadowrun and Earthdawn) shows that humanity is left in a very bad condition somewhere along the line. Whether or not that involves the Horrors is questionable, though.
~J |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
No. It's not. There is not, nor has there ever been, magic in the Battletech universe. And mechs (small ones, at least) are entirely practical in Shadowrun. You can build them with the Rigger 3 construction rules. |
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Jan 2 2004, 11:50 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
There is not, nor has there ever been magic in the 5th world, either.
~J |
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Jan 3 2004, 12:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
In the 2600's... I think. I may be off by a century or two. |
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Jan 3 2004, 01:18 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Battletech's history is well documented from the end of the 20th century up through the 31st century, when the game is set. There is no magic in it. There was no Awakening in 2011 in Battletech's world - the most significant event in 2011 described in Battletech's history was the beginning of the Second Soviet Civil War - and the events described in Battletech's history prior to 2063 are not compatible with those described in Shadowrun's.
Furthermore, Battletech is set only a thousand years or so into the future, which means that, by every estimate I've heard, it'd not only not be anywhere close to the Seventh World, but would be still on the rising side of the Sixth World's mana cycle. That means that magic should be still present and actually increasing in power in the Battletech setting, and it is not. There is no magic in Battletech; there are no fantasy races. Battletech is NOT Shadowrun's future. |
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Jan 3 2004, 01:22 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Fair enough. Now if only I could remember who told me they were related...
~J |
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Jan 3 2004, 01:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 26-December 03 Member No.: 5,935 |
I don't have my SoNA with me but wasn't the Tir building something at Crater Lake (where there's some sort of mana draining going on)?
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