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post Jan 3 2004, 01:50 AM
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Fair enough. Now if only I could remember who told me they were related...

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They aren't, but it makes for some very interesting games if you assume they are.

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post Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM
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I don't have my SoNA with me but wasn't the Tir building something at Crater Lake (where there's some sort of mana draining going on)?

There's supposedly a few buildings there. That maybe Tairngire's beginning of a kaer.
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post Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM
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I am so doing a crossover sometime.

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post Jan 3 2004, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
I am so doing a crossover sometime.

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I keep meaning to sit down and adapt the Battletech lifepath to SR but I never get around to it.

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post Jan 3 2004, 02:21 AM
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QUOTE (Siege)
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM)
I am so doing a crossover sometime.

~J

I keep meaning to sit down and adapt the Battletech lifepath to SR but I never get around to it.

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Well, cyber-ER PPCs anyone? Or rigged Mechs? Kai Allard Liao eat your heart out!
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post Jan 3 2004, 02:26 AM
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:lick: mmmm...Horrors the size of jump ships...:eek:
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post Jan 3 2004, 02:41 AM
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:lick: mmmm...Horrors the size of jump ships...:eek:

I issue a batchall to Verjigorm for a Trial of Possession for Terra!

The free birth scum of a Horror will taste the full fury of the might of the Clans!
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post Jan 3 2004, 03:08 AM
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Hah! Before I inadvertently invoke the presence of Hero...

ShadowHammer 40k!

The mil-spec armor does kinda look Marine armor...:grinbig:

Wanna do up numbers on bolt guns?

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post Jan 3 2004, 07:36 AM
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The physical Horrors could usually be killed by anyting that can kill a human. I never disputed technologies effects at killing those pathetic creatures, I have been saying that the dangerous ones will not even be slowed by nukes.

Yeah, it seems people will have to use large robots who fight with horrors and after that recreate a new world.

Just couldn't resist myself :)
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post Jan 3 2004, 02:42 PM
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Yeah, it seems people will have to use large robots who fight with horrors and after that recreate a new world.

Mankind's only hope against the Horrors...

Yes. Yes, I do hate myself.
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Noticed that they all have weapon foci too...
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post Jan 3 2004, 02:52 PM
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'bout time this wound down. At least now we all agree (meta)Humans can take down the Horrors in direct combat, only the manipulators left to deal with.

Hmm, so if FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?

As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America.

Still compared with what a Scourge would do I think it's a good deal, and killing a majority of the horrors without any combat at all is hard to beat.
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post Jan 3 2004, 02:58 PM
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Are those EVAs supposed to be about 1.4 meters tall? Or why the hell does that FN ACR that one on the left is carrying look so damn huge? And that has got to be one of the most ugly Desert Eagles I've seen with that one kneeling in front.
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post Jan 3 2004, 03:09 PM
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You are all forgetting metahuman-kind's ultimate tool against the horrors: The Face!

Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone?
Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot?
As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.
Don't forget an Ares ELD-AR weapon focus for marking people's auras...

Don't mind us humans, we're horrors, Honest!
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post Jan 3 2004, 05:50 PM
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Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone?
Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot?
As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.

:rotfl: And the fun thing is there is a precident for it in Earthdawn.

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FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?

As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America.


The only thing I worry about if FAB being corrupted, kid of like the brilliant idea of using a Metal Elemental (they're tough after all). Also, FAB would do a number on dragons, so I can see were they would take steps to not have the world blanketted with it.
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post Jan 3 2004, 05:54 PM
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Not only that would it not feed of the wards/ protection of the Kaer?
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post Jan 3 2004, 08:22 PM
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Mankind's only hope against the Horrors...

Yes. Yes, I do hate myself.

We find pleasure in misery of others :)
Nah, I guess those robots were about 4-5 meters tall, my guess.
Doesn't make them more effective. And not that mechas could be effective ever.

Probably Horrors can't assimilate wards placed against them so easily. It is directly opposed energy, so they must twist it and then eat. Should be long process.
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Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone?
Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot?
As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.

:rotfl: And the fun thing is there is a precident for it in Earthdawn.

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FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?

As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America.


The only thing I worry about if FAB being corrupted, kid of like the brilliant idea of using a Metal Elemental (they're tough after all). Also, FAB would do a number on dragons, so I can see were they would take steps to not have the world blanketted with it.

Yes. Massive FAB clouds would destroy the wards used to protect the safe havens.
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QUOTE (GunnerJ @ Jan 3 2004, 02:42 PM)
Mankind's only hope against the Horrors...

Yes. Yes, I do hate myself.

We find pleasure in misery of others :)
Nah, I guess those robots were about 4-5 meters tall, my guess.
Doesn't make them more effective. And not that mechas could be effective ever.

Probably Horrors can't assimilate wards placed against them so easily. It is directly opposed energy, so they must twist it and then eat. Should be long process.

As someone who actually watched that series (and two of the endings, the nonsense one and the stuff blows up one), those "robots" are more in the range 50-60 meters tall.
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post Jan 3 2004, 09:47 PM
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Ah, really. It was so long ago that I do not remember. It isn't one of my favorites, too. So much for lame excuses.
I should repeat myself that mecha idea by itself is totally worthless.
Advanced combat suits (with Windows 3008 installed) are much more practical and cheaper.
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post Jan 3 2004, 10:24 PM
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Yes. Massive FAB clouds would destroy the wards used to protect the safe havens.

Assuming that in 3000 years metahumanity doesn't develop an FAB specifically attuned to Horrors.
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post Jan 3 2004, 11:06 PM
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I've definately seen a discussion, either in shadowtalk, or on these board (not recently though) about whether mana levels are rising and falling across the whole of the universe at the same time, or just locally. The former seem more likely, but given the distances and travel times involved, interstellar Horrors getting a bit off topic.

If mana levels rise everywhere at the same time, the sourge would happen on all inhabited planets. After all there is an inexhaustible supply of them.


This is from a few pages back and sort of on a tangent, but I read that far and had the urge to reply, so forgive me if this has been said already.

I've been reading a lot of hard sci-fi lately, and that seems like a good explanation for the Feynman Paradox. Basically it states that if life arises so easily, and there are so many places in the galaxy for it to do so, and the galaxy is so old, why haven't any alien civilizations spread this far? Think about it. It would only take one race, just one space-faring species with an eye to exploration, and even at sublight speeds they would be covering the galaxy by now. We should see life everywhere. Where are they?

The recurring scourge could explain this, if it's a universe-wide phenomenon. This may not be the 6th age; it may be the 6 millionth age, but we've only been around long enough to be aware of the last 3 cycles. Of course, with typical human arrogance, we assume that we actually matter in any way to the horrors - that they specifically scourge us, on our planet, because we're special.

Just something that popped into my head.
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Of course, with typical human arrogance, we assume that we actually matter in any way to the horrors - that they specifically scourge us, on our planet, because we're special.

Unlike the Horrors, which don't need arrogance because they are a million times more powerful than anything that could ever be created anywhere in the multiverse?

It certainly might have slowed down the progress of some civilizations. On the other hand, it might only have speeded up the progress of some.
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post Jan 4 2004, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm)
As someone who actually watched that series (and two of the endings, the nonsense one and the stuff blows up one), those "robots" are more in the range 50-60 meters tall.

Thanks, I thought people were joking twhen they suggested 3 meter tall EVAs. Surely, I thought, this is a large enough bastion of nerditude that we've all seen Evangelion, right? :spin:

I may have to stop reading these threads. All this talk of giant, bizzare, demigodly invaders popping out of nowhere is giving me evil thoughts about implementing SR rules for Eva piloting. :(
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QUOTE (GunnerJ)
I may have to stop reading these threads. All this talk of giant, bizzare, demigodly invaders popping out of nowhere is giving me evil thoughts about implementing SR rules for Eva piloting. :(

Go ahead and write them, just be sure to include the "accidental assimilation" aspect.
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