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 Dec 16 2003, 08:18 AM
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Free Spirit  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920  |
Can Transform change gender?
Can magicians target critters to transform into other critters? Would the spell end with the target's death? In second edition, Transform stated the target was not conscious of his previous form, third edition omits such information and makes it sound like a shapechange spell for unwilling targets. Which way is correct? If transform is only a version of shapechange for unwilling targets, does shapechange work on unconscious targets? |
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Dec 16 2003, 08:45 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Altering Gender is a GM call, I'd allow it unless I thought it would disrupt gameplay somehow.
Critters can indeed be transformed into other critters. Yes, the target of any sustained (and even permanent) spell ends with the target's death. Transform is not at all like 2nd Ed. It only works as Shapechange on an unwilling. Sphynx |
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Dec 16 2003, 10:57 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
...permanent spells end with the target's death? that sets up some weird situations--any wounds that have been magically healed will reappear.
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Dec 16 2003, 11:45 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
Heh, sorry, I didn't mean Permanent, I was meaning sustained spells that are made permanent (Quickens, Sustaining Foci, etc). Very poor wording on my part. Shoulda read "permanently sustained". However, I'm still looking for the reference to that. I recall reading about it when reading about Astral Projection somewhere but am having trouble finding the notation, so it may not be a Canon ruling (though I think it should be)
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Dec 16 2003, 02:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
For Mana spells that makes sense because the target is no longer valid. I don't think that Physical spells should end when the target dies, though.
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Dec 16 2003, 03:06 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,944 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I know quickened, anchored and foci sustained spells end upon the caster's death.
Shapechange and transform happen to be physical. How about casting shapechange on an unconscious target? For some spells, that supercedes consent (voluntary requirement.) So even a transformed enemy retains all his knowledge and abilities, just limited by the form. |
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Dec 16 2003, 03:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 639 Joined: 22-April 02 Member No.: 2,638 |
How so? My understanding of the Voluntary requirement is that if the target is unaware of the spell, then they aren't voluntary. An involuntary target automatically succeeds at any resistance test against a Voluntary spell. I would say that an unconscious target certainly qualifies as being unaware of the spell (or the rest of their surroundings, for that matter). |
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Dec 16 2003, 04:59 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
An unconscious target automatically attempts to resist all spells except heal/treat. It's in the book. Being unconscious does NOT make you a voluntary target.
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Dec 16 2003, 07:12 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 4-December 03 From: Seattle Member No.: 5,875 |
I've always ruled that whether a transformed person knows they are a transformed person or thinks they are an animal is a mechanic of the spell.
Physical manips. on targets that die are still effective because the target is still valid. :dead: |
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