Spyball vs Iball |
Spyball vs Iball |
Jul 13 2008, 01:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Spyball - (pg 63 arsenal) Cost (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) 5000. No body listed just capacity,signal and avail. Described as cue ball sized device (which really is a drone?) with shock absorbers and gyroscope system for it's lenses.
iball- (pg 342 BBB) Cost (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) 1500 Fully stated drone that can move on its own. Biggest differences spyball can't move on it's own and has capacity in place of the iballs sensor rating. So for arguments sake let's say the spyballs shock absorbers can survive a toss from moving vehicle or greater fall. It's still stuck were it lands regardless of its gyroscope for sensors. Example: Lands in high grass....too bad. The iball is mobile with sensor suite and costs nearly 1/5th the price. Am I missing something? What would make Spyball worth 5k? |
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Jul 13 2008, 01:43 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Marketing?
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Jul 13 2008, 02:03 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
Spyball can survive any fall and such. and i assume the Iball is bigger and not as well equipped for spying maybe no microphone but you can mod it. other than that assume that the spy ball is designed to be easy to smuggle in to places and is hard to detect.
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Jul 13 2008, 04:12 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
You can get an iball as an ocular drone, so it can be even smaller, but it'll cost a lot more then (63'000).
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Jul 13 2008, 04:35 PM
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Dumorimasoddaa Group: Members Posts: 2,687 Joined: 30-March 08 Member No.: 15,830 |
True this is confusing.
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Jul 13 2008, 06:53 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Scotland Member No.: 15,722 |
iBall can't move.
It has Limited Manoeuvrability, Arsenal p139. It can steer itself to some extent. Kinda like Glider is to Aeroplane. |
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Jul 13 2008, 07:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 909 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Louisville, KY (Well, Memphis, IN technically but you won't know where that is.) Member No.: 7,626 |
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Jul 13 2008, 11:37 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Scotland Member No.: 15,722 |
That's gotta be a typo where they put "iball" but meant "spyball." How else does it have Acel ratings and maneuvering? That option didn't exist in the BBB but Arsenal altered the drone to have the Limited Manoeuvrability quality which retro-actively altered the original stats. |
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Jul 14 2008, 06:50 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
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Jul 14 2008, 07:44 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
That makes it even better then - still cheaperthan a spyball, and it can move.
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Jul 14 2008, 08:47 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
iBall can't move. Sure it can. It just can move in a limited way... you know, like the main book says: QUOTE Designed to be tossed or rolled into a room, this minidrone can roll on its own but cannot handle stairs, lips, or large obstructions. Of course, technically, it even can handle stairs... in one direction. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Spyball can survive any fall and such. It's not likely for them to be much more resiliant than the iBall. |
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Jul 14 2008, 08:58 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
That makes it even better then - still cheaperthan a spyball, and it can move. And you can hide it in your head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) |
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Jul 14 2008, 01:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
So after all that the question still remains. The iball is obviously a better toy to have, yet the spyball costs 3500 out of the box and still more then the implant version of iball. So just from looking back over the stats for Spyball, treated more like a sensor and must have some amazing shock absorbing qualities! Sort of like those unbreakable combs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)
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Jul 14 2008, 01:16 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Again, it's probably marketing. The iBall probably isn't advertised as heavily, and sales suffer from that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
Another question, check the availability on both items. Might be an explaination there, too. |
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Jul 14 2008, 01:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 325 Joined: 24-February 06 From: Kansas Member No.: 8,304 |
Again, it's probably marketing. The iBall probably isn't advertised as heavily, and sales suffer from that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Another question, check the availability on both items. Might be an explaination there, too. Don't forget for 500 bucks more the IBall can pack a grenade, toss in take alook...crap bad guys with guns! pepperpunch or narco grenade go boom! |
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Jul 14 2008, 01:53 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Mass production could be another possibility!
Nanofacs producing explosive iBalls keeping costs down, while the SpyBalls are "Made by Union Labour". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Jul 14 2008, 02:01 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
I can see were your coming from CanRay I can rationalize with the best of them. But I just can't imagine using marketing in a core sourcebook without any precedence for pricing.
Like I said I'm a fine rationalizer and I've already made Spyball a highly survivable sensor. Just wondering if there was something I was overlooking, maybe whoever created it might have given us some insight. (wishful thinking) |
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Jul 14 2008, 02:42 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Scotland Member No.: 15,722 |
Sure it can. It just can move in a limited way... you know, like the main book says: What? So, you're just going to ignore what it says in Arsenal? (On an aside, thinking about a ball that can steer but can't motivate we should do a bigger one, a 'whole-head' ball, maybe with a skull motif for Mystery Men fans, that is the size of a bowling ball. Even I could get a perfect score with a bowling ball that could steer itself...) |
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Jul 14 2008, 03:32 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229 |
Introducing... The iBowl drone.
Rigger bowling... I'm imagining 100m long bowling lanes with obstacles. You have to navigate your iBowl down the lane to strike the pins without getting destroyed. |
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Jul 14 2008, 03:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Well, they had to do something to make bowling interesting!
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Jul 14 2008, 04:30 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
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Jul 14 2008, 04:34 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
What? So, you're just going to ignore what it says in Arsenal? Indeed, because the Devs promised us that for SR4, there will be no contradictions in supplements. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Jul 14 2008, 04:44 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 29-February 08 From: Scotland Member No.: 15,722 |
Indeed, because the Devs promised us that for SR4, there will be no contradictions in supplements. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Sorry I think I'm going to be sick.... |
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Jul 14 2008, 04:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229 |
Well, they had to do something to make bowling interesting! Its one of those games that can be fun if everyone is on the same skill level, whether its awesome, good, bad, or absolutely abysmal! (kind of like Settlers of Catan, IMO) Oh, and beer really does help level the playing field. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jul 14 2008, 05:51 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Only on the beat up lanes.
Same thing as Pool. A few drinks in me, and those beat up bar tables straighten out nicely. |
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