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post Jul 13 2008, 01:31 PM
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Spyball - (pg 63 arsenal) Cost (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) 5000. No body listed just capacity,signal and avail. Described as cue ball sized device (which really is a drone?) with shock absorbers and gyroscope system for it's lenses.

iball- (pg 342 BBB) Cost (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) 1500 Fully stated drone that can move on its own.



Biggest differences spyball can't move on it's own and has capacity in place of the iballs sensor rating. So for arguments sake let's say the spyballs shock absorbers can survive a toss from moving vehicle or greater fall. It's still stuck were it lands regardless of its gyroscope for sensors. Example: Lands in high grass....too bad. The iball is mobile with sensor suite and costs nearly 1/5th the price.

Am I missing something? What would make Spyball worth 5k?
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post Jul 13 2008, 01:43 PM
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Marketing?
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post Jul 13 2008, 02:03 PM
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Spyball can survive any fall and such. and i assume the Iball is bigger and not as well equipped for spying maybe no microphone but you can mod it. other than that assume that the spy ball is designed to be easy to smuggle in to places and is hard to detect.
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post Jul 13 2008, 04:12 PM
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You can get an iball as an ocular drone, so it can be even smaller, but it'll cost a lot more then (63'000).
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post Jul 13 2008, 04:35 PM
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True this is confusing.
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post Jul 13 2008, 06:53 PM
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iBall can't move.

It has Limited Manoeuvrability, Arsenal p139.

It can steer itself to some extent. Kinda like Glider is to Aeroplane.
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post Jul 13 2008, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE (crizh @ Jul 13 2008, 02:53 PM) *
iBall can't move.

It has Limited Manoeuvrability, Arsenal p139.

It can steer itself to some extent. Kinda like Glider is to Aeroplane.


That's gotta be a typo where they put "iball" but meant "spyball." How else does it have Acel ratings and maneuvering?
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post Jul 13 2008, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (kigmatzomat @ Jul 13 2008, 08:37 PM) *
That's gotta be a typo where they put "iball" but meant "spyball." How else does it have Acel ratings and maneuvering?


That option didn't exist in the BBB but Arsenal altered the drone to have the Limited Manoeuvrability quality which retro-actively altered the original stats.
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post Jul 14 2008, 06:50 AM
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QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jul 13 2008, 04:12 PM) *
You can get an iball as an ocular drone, so it can be even smaller, but it'll cost a lot more then (63'000).


Check the errata or arsenal tables.

Availability 6
Cost: 3000Y
Capacity Cost: 6
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post Jul 14 2008, 07:44 AM
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That makes it even better then - still cheaperthan a spyball, and it can move.
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post Jul 14 2008, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE (crizh @ Jul 13 2008, 08:53 PM) *
iBall can't move.

Sure it can. It just can move in a limited way... you know, like the main book says:
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Designed to be tossed or rolled into a room, this minidrone can roll on its own but cannot handle stairs, lips, or large obstructions.

Of course, technically, it even can handle stairs... in one direction. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (Dumori @ Jul 13 2008, 04:03 PM) *
Spyball can survive any fall and such.

It's not likely for them to be much more resiliant than the iBall.
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post Jul 14 2008, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jul 14 2008, 07:44 AM) *
That makes it even better then - still cheaperthan a spyball, and it can move.


And you can hide it in your head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)
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post Jul 14 2008, 01:10 PM
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So after all that the question still remains. The iball is obviously a better toy to have, yet the spyball costs 3500 out of the box and still more then the implant version of iball. So just from looking back over the stats for Spyball, treated more like a sensor and must have some amazing shock absorbing qualities! Sort of like those unbreakable combs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)
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post Jul 14 2008, 01:16 PM
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Again, it's probably marketing. The iBall probably isn't advertised as heavily, and sales suffer from that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Another question, check the availability on both items. Might be an explaination there, too.
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post Jul 14 2008, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 14 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Again, it's probably marketing. The iBall probably isn't advertised as heavily, and sales suffer from that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Another question, check the availability on both items. Might be an explaination there, too.


Don't forget for 500 bucks more the IBall can pack a grenade, toss in take alook...crap bad guys with guns! pepperpunch or narco grenade go boom!

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post Jul 14 2008, 01:53 PM
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Mass production could be another possibility!

Nanofacs producing explosive iBalls keeping costs down, while the SpyBalls are "Made by Union Labour". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jul 14 2008, 02:01 PM
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I can see were your coming from CanRay I can rationalize with the best of them. But I just can't imagine using marketing in a core sourcebook without any precedence for pricing.

Like I said I'm a fine rationalizer and I've already made Spyball a highly survivable sensor. Just wondering if there was something I was overlooking, maybe whoever created it might have given us some insight. (wishful thinking)
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post Jul 14 2008, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jul 14 2008, 09:47 AM) *
Sure it can. It just can move in a limited way... you know, like the main book says:


What? So, you're just going to ignore what it says in Arsenal?

(On an aside, thinking about a ball that can steer but can't motivate we should do a bigger one, a 'whole-head' ball, maybe with a skull motif for Mystery Men fans, that is the size of a bowling ball. Even I could get a perfect score with a bowling ball that could steer itself...)
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post Jul 14 2008, 03:32 PM
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Introducing... The iBowl drone.

Rigger bowling... I'm imagining 100m long bowling lanes with obstacles. You have to navigate your iBowl down the lane to strike the pins without getting destroyed.
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post Jul 14 2008, 03:33 PM
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Well, they had to do something to make bowling interesting!
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post Jul 14 2008, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 14 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Well, they had to do something to make bowling interesting!

I thought that's what the beer was for.
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post Jul 14 2008, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (crizh @ Jul 14 2008, 04:42 PM) *
What? So, you're just going to ignore what it says in Arsenal?

Indeed, because the Devs promised us that for SR4, there will be no contradictions in supplements. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Jul 14 2008, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jul 14 2008, 05:34 PM) *
Indeed, because the Devs promised us that for SR4, there will be no contradictions in supplements. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)



Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Sorry I think I'm going to be sick....
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post Jul 14 2008, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 14 2008, 10:33 AM) *
Well, they had to do something to make bowling interesting!


Its one of those games that can be fun if everyone is on the same skill level, whether its awesome, good, bad, or absolutely abysmal! (kind of like Settlers of Catan, IMO)

Oh, and beer really does help level the playing field. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jul 14 2008, 05:51 PM
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Only on the beat up lanes.

Same thing as Pool. A few drinks in me, and those beat up bar tables straighten out nicely.
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