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post Jul 22 2008, 08:38 PM
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So, I don't play a lot of magicians, but I found myself recently looking at the spells again.

I think I am missing something pretty basic, but I'm not sure what. I figure somebody here can help me out.

Despite my favorite mage character being a fire-specialist, I found myself wondering why anyone would ever learn an indirect combat spell? The drain is 2 points higher. The target gets more dice to resist (first with reaction, then if there are any hits left, with body + 1/2 armor + elemental resistance armor mods, as opposed to only rolling body with, say, powerbolt). The elemental side-effects are nice, but most of them (except maybe fire) don't seem like they would come up that often - certainly not enough to make up for 2 points of drain, and giving your enemy about 6-12 extra dice to resist with.

Street magic confirms that someone thinks that elemental affects are worth +2 increase to drain, and having to be "indirect" (which seems to suck) - but I am not really seeing that much of an advantage to indirect combat spells. It seems that if you're interested in your combat spell dealing damage (as opposed to knocking your opponent down, having a small chance of stun, or making his ExEx ammo go off) you're much better off just using powerbolt.

Am I mad?

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- BlackHat   Direct vs. Indirect Combat Spells   Jul 22 2008, 08:38 PM
- - Abschalten   No, you aren't going crazy. Most of the time ...   Jul 22 2008, 09:03 PM
|- - Tarantula   QUOTE (Abschalten @ Jul 22 2008, 02:03 PM...   Jul 22 2008, 09:30 PM
|- - Abschalten   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Jul 22 2008, 04:30 PM)...   Jul 22 2008, 09:43 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (BlackHat @ Jul 22 2008, 03:38 PM) ...   Jul 22 2008, 09:05 PM
- - BlackHat   The counterspelling argument makes sense. I was th...   Jul 22 2008, 09:22 PM
- - Tarantula   Mirrors no, the fibreoptics yes.   Jul 22 2008, 10:36 PM
- - Jaid   drone-mounted mirror anyone? (someone's GM is ...   Jul 23 2008, 04:02 AM
- - sunnyside   There is other stuff too. (Hopefully this is al...   Jul 23 2008, 04:14 AM
- - Hank   We dropped the drain codes by two for all indirect...   Jul 23 2008, 07:57 AM
- - Ustio   Just a random thought: Since an indirect spell is...   Jul 23 2008, 08:52 AM
- - The Jopp   The main problem i find with mana spells is that i...   Jul 23 2008, 10:32 AM
- - sunnyside   Had much luck stunning a drone lately? Also stunb...   Jul 23 2008, 10:39 AM
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|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Sma @ Jul 23 2008, 01:33 PM) If by...   Jul 23 2008, 12:37 PM
|- - Sma   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 02:37 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 12:52 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Sma @ Jul 23 2008, 01:52 PM) The r...   Jul 23 2008, 01:38 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 04:38 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 02:01 PM
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|- - Sma   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 03:38 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 02:59 PM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 08:38 AM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 06:18 PM
|- - Muspellsheimr   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 07:38 AM) ...   Jul 24 2008, 09:59 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Jul 24 2008, 09:59...   Jul 25 2008, 06:43 AM
- - Drogos   Clearly you haven't been using astral signatur...   Jul 23 2008, 11:02 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Drogos @ Jul 23 2008, 11:02 AM) Cl...   Jul 23 2008, 11:21 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 02:21 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 11:34 AM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jul 23 2008, 12:34 PM) It...   Jul 23 2008, 11:58 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 02:58 PM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 12:10 PM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 23 2008, 06:58 AM) ...   Jul 23 2008, 12:13 PM
- - DireRadiant   The hairs on the back of my neck just... did somet...   Jul 23 2008, 04:57 PM
- - Grayson7   I don't really see what the big debate is abou...   Jul 23 2008, 06:00 PM
- - Sma   That particular tidbit about staging down direct c...   Jul 23 2008, 06:07 PM
|- - Grayson7   QUOTE (Sma @ Jul 23 2008, 02:07 PM) That ...   Jul 24 2008, 03:58 AM
- - kzt   It's pretty hard to spot the mage casting mana...   Jul 24 2008, 04:39 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 23 2008, 09:39 PM) It...   Jul 24 2008, 06:00 AM
- - kzt   Mages who want to kill people overcast manaball an...   Jul 24 2008, 06:26 AM
|- - Dashifen   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 24 2008, 12:26 AM) Mages...   Jul 24 2008, 01:20 PM
|- - Apathy   QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 24 2008, 02:26 AM) Mages...   Jul 24 2008, 02:01 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Apathy @ Jul 24 2008, 03:01 PM) I ...   Jul 24 2008, 02:08 PM
|- - Tarantula   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 24 2008, 08:08 AM) ...   Jul 24 2008, 02:26 PM
- - The Jopp   The problem with overcasting is that it becomes a ...   Jul 24 2008, 01:42 PM
|- - JoelHalpern   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Jul 24 2008, 09:42 AM) ...   Jul 24 2008, 01:59 PM
- - sunnyside   Actually if we're talking about hitting people...   Jul 24 2008, 02:27 PM
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- - Tarantula   If the troll is laying down cover fire, he sure is...   Jul 24 2008, 02:41 PM
- - Tarantula   Direct combat spells also get + counterspelling to...   Jul 25 2008, 12:59 PM
- - kzt   Unless you are running a mage team with teamworked...   Jul 26 2008, 04:00 AM
- - Zaranthan   So, indirect spells move Counterspelling from the ...   Jul 26 2008, 08:27 PM


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