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post Aug 23 2003, 09:15 PM
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How audible is a helicopter flying at 500 feet? I've heard of fancy tail-rotor systems that make them really quiet, but how quiet? Could you be chased by a helicopter flying at 500 feet and not notice?

DPD's bird is fairly noisy. If you're standing on the sidewalk and it's circling, you are going to know it's there. But then Denver is too cheap to go in for any fancy systems that might make the bird quiet.

On the other hand, if you're in a car and they're trying not to be noticed, I think it would be pretty easy for them to stay hidden. Fly at an angle that can't be seen from the windows, and high enough that the rotor noise won't be heard over the noise of the car engine and use the IR or the zoom lense for tracking. It would be very easy.

Incidently, I tend to agree with Hot Wheels that SR police choppers would probably be armed, to at least some degree. Also, they would probably have better systems than the DPD does. While we're talking SR, don't forget the spotter drones, some of which are built for stealth.
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post Aug 23 2003, 09:25 PM
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A while back I saw an article about the specs of the "New and Improved" Commanche helicopter design. I remember it having a large array of stealth options including ways to avoid IR detection, radar, and I think a way to minimize the engine noise. I have been unable to find the information online, but maybe someone can find the relevant numbers.
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post Aug 24 2003, 02:19 AM
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Before the local airshow a couple weeks back, I would watch from my backyard as planes and choppers fly over head on approach. Older birds that were obviously two bladed were noisey as all hell. The newer 5 bladed choppers that I could identify, I only noticed because I was in the backyard and it was otherwise quiet.

For canon rules, I believe the perception target number is the chopper's sig, modified by distance, other noises and distractions. I'm infering this from the comment in rigger3 about smart materials adding +1 to the sig of a chopper for listening perception tests.
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post Aug 25 2003, 08:52 PM
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Out in an open field, still air, you can hear a chopper coming from a ways away, probably close to four or five miles. Maybe more if you have exceptional hearing. In an urban or forested environment, though, the ambient noise combined with the reverberation and redirection of the helicopter's noise can allow it to sneak up on you quickly. Also, you may not be able to determine the direction of approach until its very close, within a mile.

Given a proper masking structure, a helicopter moving at 120 kts can be on top of you almost before you know it.

Five bladed systems are inherently more quiet than four or two bladed systems, and certain rotorhead bearing designs can reduce noise as well. Most rotors feature blade tips that are swept between fifty and seventy degrees. This is for noise attenuation as well.

As for the Comanche, the helicopter has five blades with swept tip caps and a fan in fan style tail rotor. Both of which are designed to reduce noise signature. Exhaust from its engines is funneled through passive IR suppressors, basically a large number of vents along the extended tail boom. This reduces their heat signature to within about thirty to forty percent of ambient air temperature. The Comanche's skin is composite RAM and sculpted with an eye for stealth.
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post Aug 25 2003, 10:56 PM
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I think Seattle's Lonestar security forces would rely almost entirely on drones. Drones for surveilance, drone s for pursuit, drone gunships if needed.
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post Aug 26 2003, 04:51 AM
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Many of those police forces are actually megacorps. Knight Errant and Lone Star will definitely have a couple of armed helicopters. These helicopters will be flown by riggers and do manuevers with ease that today's pilots would be lucky to survive. They'll even come with auto-pilots so the pilot can concentrate on shooting at you. They may even carry missiles for special occassions. These guys may be called on to take down shadowrunners with assault cannons. Get ready for a nasty fight.



You want to avoid them? Stick to where the people are. Last thing Lone Star wants is for them to get on the news by accidentally killing a lot of people in pursuit of a bunch of criminal shadowrunners.

For that matter, one could probably have the helicopter be a drone-carrier -- have a co-pilot who rigs a trio of airborne security drones dispatched from a drone rack, and work it collaboratively to corner and nail a runner's vehicle.
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