 Dikote for improved hand razors, Can ya do it? |
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 Dec 22 2003, 04:09 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702  |
Improved hand razors are extra dense, and therefore can hold an extra fine edge. Dikote puts a diamond film on a substance, effectively granting the same properties as the carbide blade in improved hand razors.
The question is: Can you double up? Can you dikote improved hand razors? Or is it all just redundant-munchkinism? |
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Dec 22 2003, 04:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I don't see why you couldn't. I've seen it done before...
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Dec 22 2003, 04:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
I agree: unless it's prohibited anywhere, I don't see why you couldn't laminate the blades.
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Dec 22 2003, 04:30 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
you would, of course, have to get them dikoted *prior* to installation
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Dec 22 2003, 04:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yes, because blowing a minimum of 15,000 nuyen and 0.1 Essence for the (non-retractable version) equivalence of a Reach 0 non-Dikoted Katana is totally munchkin. |
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Dec 22 2003, 06:35 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Sure, you can dikote implant blade weapons. Just make sure you dikote the blades before they're implanted. A 1200C/2200F microwave oven can cause excessive dryness and flakiness in the skin. |
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Dec 22 2003, 07:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
:rotfl:
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Dec 22 2003, 07:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
I thought the blades on hand razors where removable, I mean it would make perfect sense if you say chipped or shattered one, make it way hell easier to repair then having your fingers cut open again. I see no problem with dikoting the razors after implantation, they should be metal so they could with stand the processes of dikoting.
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Dec 22 2003, 09:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702 |
Is that sarcasm? It's so hard to tell with you, Doc. |
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Dec 22 2003, 09:47 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
No, I'm totally serious. I've never seen anything more munchy in all my days. <shakes his fist in the air>
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Dec 22 2003, 10:27 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It doesn't state this in canon. I would rule that they are not removable, thereby requiring surgery to repair them. |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
He wouldn't! :S See, THIS is why there's a *sarcasm* smiley :D |
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Dec 23 2003, 06:18 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Shanghai, China Member No.: 5,618 |
Hi, but your hands are not (at least most of the time) and if I remember correctly the description of Dikote in Man & Machine mentioned plasma use during the process? If I understand this correctly, your razors would be dikeoted, but your hands would have been burned or melted away. tbd |
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Dec 23 2003, 06:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
i see no problem with dicoting implants after installation the dryness and flakyness can be treated with any ointment designed to treat 40th degree burns :D |
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Dec 23 2003, 07:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
You should have read the entire post man, if you did you would have caught the part where I mentioned that the blades them selves where removable and separate from the implant. But that has since been shot down. |
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Dec 23 2003, 04:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
Has no one thought of simply telling the cyberdoc, "Hey, before you cut open my fingers and put those things in, I'd like you to work with this chemist and do some out of the ordinary work on the blades...."? :]
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Dec 23 2003, 05:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Actually the retractable hand razoers do have removable blades, and that is Canon. Street Samurai Catalogue (1st & 2nd Ed). Check out the page mentioning the improved versions. Shadowtalk states that you just pop on down to your nearest street doc and get them to replace the blades, no surgery necessary. Of course, with the non-retractable versions you'd better do it before they're implanted.
So logically continuing on from this it would also be posssible to dikote cyberspurs too, although I'd opt for a minor surgical procedure here. Not drastically invasive, but you'd need a surgical/medical workshop at the minimum to change the blades. Probably a light wound to recover from afterwards too. Don't forget that dikote can wear away too. It suffers degradation everytime it hits something. Eventually a striking surface is going to have to be recoated. Think of it as resharpening your sword - after all they get blunted and chipped in combat. Its one thing that isn't universally renown for a lack of wear and tear and generaic destruction is combat. So while your at it, make those players pay if they forget to repair their armour. |
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Dec 23 2003, 05:58 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Dikote wears away? It's diamond hard... I could see some dedicated abrasion doing damage to the coating, but normal wear and tear seems like something it would endure well.
Anyway, twin dikoted retractable improved hand razors is very evil. I mean, who wouldn't want to be able to do (Str x 1.5 + 3) M damage in melee? And, for that matter, the twinned spurs are even uglier at (Str x 1.5 + 1) S damage. |
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Dec 23 2003, 10:10 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fair enough. :)
Where is this stated in canon? |
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Dec 23 2003, 11:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
As a temporary holder until someone finds the real quote, ISTR reading that dikote does wear off, but no rules are given for it. And that's realistic enough. Banging and flexing metal surfaces with a diamond coating is going to result in the stiffer diamond coating flexing and popping off the more flexible metal. |
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Dec 24 2003, 07:54 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 8-November 03 Member No.: 5,803 |
Diamond drills, used to drill through solid rock, run almost nonstiop for about 6 months before needing to be replaced. With heavy use, the diamond coated edge might wear down, but at slower rate than a normal (non-dikoted) weapon would. |
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Dec 24 2003, 03:21 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
That's a different loading condition than a sword. The drillbit does not flex like a sword blade. |
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Dec 24 2003, 03:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Not so much as rules but it is mentioned as Shadowtalk under the Dikote entry in Shadowtech. Personally, its something that I've always used for edged weapons because of game balance. After all, Dikote is only a film coating, its not as if the blade is made from the substance like a diamond drill tip. I'd therefore say that replacing it after making a botch in a melee combat or at least once a year would be just GM decisions. Possibly more often if it's weilded by a sword-swinging combat monster. (Kill Bill anyone?) :] |
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Dec 25 2003, 01:27 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the idea. I just didn't recall any hard-and-fast rules concerning it. :)
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